Biden also sees debate over abortion in Church teaching
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Sen. Joe Biden / Tom Brokaw

.- Sen. Joseph Biden, the Democratic Party’s vice-presidential nominee, explained his stand on abortion in a Sunday appearance on NBC’s Meet the Press and responded to several U.S. bishops’ critiques of Nancy Pelosi’s justification for her pro-abortion rights position. Characterizing the belief that life begins at conception as a “religiously based view,” Biden said he cannot “impose” that belief upon people who do not share it.

Biden also claimed that there is a “debate” in the Church over when life begins.

Tom Brokaw, host of Meet the Press, prefaced his question to Biden by noting Rev. Rick Warren’s question to Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama at the Saddleback Church candidates’ forum in August. Brokaw reported the question as “When does life begin?”

In fact, Rev. Warren had asked “At what point does a baby get human rights?”

Sen. Obama had replied to Warren by saying that determining when life begins is “above my pay grade.”

On Sunday’s broadcast of Meet the Press, Brokaw explained that on a previous show he had asked Rep. Pelosi, who like Sen. Biden is a Catholic, what advice she would give to Obama about when life began. Pelosi answered that abortion is an area in which she is not in agreement with the Catholic Church and claimed St. Augustine’s view concerning when the soul enters the body supports her opinion.

Many bishops and archbishops criticized Pelosi’s August 24 televised comments, which she further supported in a statement from her office. According to the Associated Press, Rep. Pelosi has since accepted the invitation of the Archbishop of San Francisco George Niederauer to converse with him about abortion and the Catholic faith.

Speaking to Sen. Biden on Meet the Press yesterday, Brokaw cited the comments of Edward Cardinal Egan, the Archbishop of New York.
Concerning Pelosi’s remarks, the cardinal said about those killed in an abortion: “Anyone who dares to defend that they may be legitimately killed because another human being `chooses' to do so or for any other equally ridiculous reason should not be providing leadership in a civilized democracy worthy of the name.”

“Those are very strong words. If Senator Obama comes to you and says, ‘When does life begin? Help me out here, Joe,’ as a Roman Catholic, what would you say to him?”

Biden replied that he would say “Look, I know when it begins for me," but then called the question a “personal and private issue.”

While professing that he is “prepared to accept the teachings of my church,” he said there are many non-Catholics who have a different view.

“They believe in God as strongly as I do. They're intensely as religious as I am religious,” Biden said.

“I'm prepared as a matter of faith to accept that life begins at the moment of conception,” he continued. “But that is my judgment. For me to impose that judgment on everyone else who is equally and maybe even more devout than I am seems to me is inappropriate in a pluralistic society.”

When Brokaw asserted that Biden had voted for abortion rights, Biden then objected that he had instead voted “against curtailing the right” and against “criminalizing abortion.”

“I voted against telling everyone else in the country that they have to accept my religiously based view that it's a moment of conception,” Biden insisted.

“There is a debate in our church, as Cardinal Egan would acknowledge, that's existed. Back in "Summa Theologia [sic]," when Thomas Aquinas wrote "Summa Theologia [sic]," he said there was no--it didn't occur until quickening, 40 days after conception.”

“How am I going out and tell you, if you or anyone else that you must insist upon my view that is based on a matter of faith?” he said, according to a September 7 transcript of Meet the Press.

“This is a matter between a person's God, however they believe in God, their doctor and themselves,” Biden claimed, endorsing the reduction of the abortion rate through “providing the care, the assistance and the encouragement for people to be able to carry to term and to raise their children.”

Bishop of Madison Robert C. Morlino and Archbishop of Denver Charles J. Chaput have both reacted to Biden’s, criticizing him for “flawed moral reasoning” and confusing the differences between faith and natural law—that is, the rational and non-sectarian study of human life and ethics.

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Published by: Kathryn MacDonald
Columbia MD USA 10/12/2008 09:58 PM EST
I think it's interesting that Sarah Palin was thankful that her teenage daughter made the "choice" to have a child at 17. Gov. Palin wants to deny "choice" to any woman (or teen) who does not make the same "choice" as her daughter. Ironically, Palin's belief that sex ed should not be taught by schools (or parents apparently) has shown to be a flawed idea Educated teens will make more educated decisions. Now her daughter is "engaged" to a high school drop out at 17...perhaps if she had been allowed to "choose" birth control, Bristol would be not be pregnant at such a tender age, and not feel "forced" to marry her (practically adolescent) boyfriend. None of the candidates are qualified to determine when life begins or to make that determination for others. We know from bitter experience that women denied the right to an abortion will do so anyway at great risk. Why not respect the rights of each person and religion? Catholics do not agree with abortion under any circumstances- that's fine- just don't try to impose that on people of other faiths or those who have a different belief system.
Published by: Eileen Doyle
Largo, Florida 09/10/2008 12:47 PM EST
A caveat to all who think abortion is ok.

Jeremias, Chapter 1:4

Before I formed thee in the bowels of thy mother, I knew thee: and before thou camest forth out of the womb, I sanctified thee, and made thee a prophet unto the nations.
Published by: Mark
Saint Paul, Minnesota 09/09/2008 10:29 PM EST
Self-importance, self-righteousness, self-serving, self-loving: all part of the sin of pride, and all these describe in some way Obama, Biden, Kennedy, Kerry, and Pelosi.
Published by: Alan fava
Houston, Tx 09/09/2008 04:06 PM EST
I wonder how the good senator's bishop will handle this one?
Published by: Lucia Bartoli
Dana Point/CA/USA 09/09/2008 01:41 PM EST
Joe Biden is simply silly! He is a
"cafeteria Catholic", picking & choosing his tenets. It doesn't work that way. If he IS a Catholic, he need not ram his Rosary beads down my throat, just support the doctrine you profess to believe.
Published by: Al
The Villages, Fl, USA 09/09/2008 01:02 PM EST
I doubt that there are many who do not believe that life begins at conception these days. What to do about Roe vs Wade and legal abortion,yes there are differences of opinon among the people of this nation.

Biden,if he wants to be a good Catholic, needs to abide by the Church teachings, tell his constituents that he will not support abortion,and let them decide to vote for him or not. This mixing up of "ensoulment" and the beginning of life is a cannard. Biden can continue down his current road,as Spkr Pelosi is doing, but then don't call yourself a Catholic. May God have mercy on your souls.
Published by: thor
sunnyvale/ca/usa 09/09/2008 09:54 AM EST
the fact that the debate has commenced in the political arena, and the Catholic view - which will always be the truth regardless of whether anyone accepts it - is now a significant receding of lies. Politicians of all shades can continue to obfuscate the matter but none of them will ever gain victory against the teaching of the Church no matter how convicing it appears that they have the upperhand. The truth will always be the truth.
Published by: Kit
Fort Worth 09/09/2008 08:47 AM EST
What a phoney Catholic! You either believe in the teachings of Christ, or you don't. If Biden truly believes life begins at conception, then he would believe abortion to be murder in any case. He needs to go back and study his Bible, especially the passage "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's." We first must follow the laws of God, before we follow the laws of man. If God says, "Do not kill." It matters not that Roe v. Wade allows it. "Give to God what is God's."
Published by: Michael R. Zboray
Montvale /nj/USA 09/09/2008 08:15 AM EST
Joe it being intellectually dishonest.
On what basis does he make other moral decisions? Does he not think that murder, theft, perjury (thou shalt not kill, steal, false testimony) come from religious belief? If the majority decided that Jews or Blacks or Slavs were not really human, would he not step in and try to prevent their extermination because of his faith?
He's either a fool, or a liar
Published by: Mike Malone
Glenwood, Iowa U.S.A. 09/09/2008 08:13 AM EST
Joe Biden, as did Nancy Pelosi, is twisting the thoughts and words of St. Thomas Aquinas. Yes he did write that he believed that ensoulment did not occur until the 40th day, but he consistantly condenmed any form of abortion. In fact from the first century the Didache (the Teachings of the Twelve Ajpostles) condemn abortion. Therefore by the constant teaching of the Church this is an unchangeable doctrine. The fact these two people (Pelosi and Biden) have chosen to lift and distort the teaching of St. Thomas Aquinas speaks volumes about them.


Mike Malone
Published by: Mary
Berks County, pa 09/09/2008 06:43 AM EST
If he accepts the Church's teaching then he is not relying on his own judgement but the Magisterium of the Church. The Church's teaching is infallible on this subject. So in reality he is rejecting Church teaching in favor of his own judgement. You can't accept something on faith and act counter to it and still profess belief. Then the belief is a lie.
Published by: Joyce
ny n y 09/08/2008 10:22 PM EST
"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure if we have removed their only firm basis: a conviction in the minds of men that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever." - Thomas Jefferson

The longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth: 'that God governs in the affairs of men.' And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?" - Benjamin Franklin
Published by: robert J. Shalhoub
vienna,Va. U.S.A. 09/08/2008 05:43 PM EST
The Catholic senators had it in their power to prevent the democratic party from becoming the party of abortion. They were all pro-life originally.
Unfortunately, they were not challenged by the bishops when it would have made a difference. Also, the bishops tolerated the late liberal Fr. Drinan who had a 100% pro-abortion record. Don't tell me they couldn't do it because he was a Jesuit. They were totally detached from controversy.
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