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Bishop shows up unannounced at election forum, defends Church’s stance on abortion
Bishop Martino: "This is madness people."
![]() Bishop Joseph Martino
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.- An election forum at a Pennsylvania parish that took place last Sunday was organized to allow Catholics the opportunity to defend their support for McCain and Obama. However, the forum took a surprising turn when an unexpected guest showed up to guide his flock, the Bishop of Scranton, Joseph F. Martino. The forum, which took place at St. John’s Catholic Church in Honesdale, Pennsylvania, was underway when the bishop arrived. Four panel members were sharing their perspectives on the presidential candidates John McCain and Barack Obama, some pledging to vote for the Republican, others for the Democrat. One of the panelists, Sister Margaret Gannon of Marywood University cited statements from “Faithful Citizenship” a document on voting released by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops. She noted that “a Catholic cannot vote for a candidate who takes a position in favor of an intrinsic evil, such as abortion or racism, if the voter’s intent is to support that position. At the same time, a voter should not use a candidate’s opposition to an intrinsic evil to justify indifference or inattentiveness to other important moral issues involving human life and dignity. ” After Sr. Gannon spoke, the bishop took the floor. Bill Genello, a spokesman for the Diocese of Scranton told the Wayne Independent that when Bishop Martino arrived, his intention was to listen “to the presenters and how they might discuss Catholic teaching.” However, he continued, “Certain groups and individuals have used their own erroneous interpretations of Church documents, particularly the U.S. Bishops’ statement on Faithful Citizenship, to justify their political positions and to contradict the Church’s actual teaching on the centrality of abortion, euthanasia and embryonic stem cell research.” When the bishop heard the speakers using the bishops’ statement to justify their choice for president, he reminded the audience that those “groups and individuals who make statements about Catholic teaching do not speak with the same authority or authenticity as their bishop.” The prelate then clarified his authority as bishop and the Church’s teachings on abortion as an election issue. “No USCCB document is relevant in this diocese,” said Martino according to the Wayne Independent. “The USCCB doesn’t speak for me.” “The only relevant document ... is my letter,” he continued, “There is one teacher in this diocese, and these points are not debatable.” The letter he referred to was a pastoral letter to his entire diocese that was published in the first week of October. In his message, Bishop Martino states that a candidate’s abortion stance is a major voting issue that supersedes all others due to its grave moral consequences. He wrote: “To begin, laws that protect abortion constitute injustice of the worst kind. They rest on several false claims including that there is no certainty regarding when life begins, that there is no certainty about when a fetus becomes a person, and that some human beings may be killed to advance the interests or convenience of others.” “Another argument goes like this: ‘As wrong as abortion is, I don't think it is the only relevant ‘life’ issue that should be considered when deciding for whom to vote.’ This reasoning is sound only if other issues carry the same moral weight as abortion does, such as in the case of euthanasia and destruction of embryos for research purposes. ... National Right to Life reports that 48.5 million abortions have been performed since 1973. One would be too many. No war, no natural disaster, no illness or disability has claimed so great a price.” He also touched on just war. “Even the Church’s just war theory has moral force because it is grounded in the principle that innocent human life must be protected and defended. Now, a person may, in good faith, misapply just war criteria leading him to mistakenly believe that an unjust war is just, but he or she still knows that innocent human life may not be harmed on purpose. A person who supports permissive abortion laws, however, rejects the truth that innocent human life may never be destroyed. This profound moral failure runs deeper and is more corrupting of the individual, and of the society, than any error in applying just war criteria to particular cases.” “No social issue has caused the death of 50 million people,” he said, noting that he no longer supports the Democratic Party. “This is madness people.” When the prelate concluded his speech, most audience members gave him a standing ovation, while others were upset that the leader of the diocese made an appearance. Bishop Martino left the event shortly after making his remarks. Organizers of the event had mixed emotions regarding the bishop’s appearance. Father Martin Boylan, pastor of St. John’s said that they “were very careful not to endorse anyone,” and that the forum was meant to be “a political slash editorial forum about the presidential election.” He also explained that the state church guidelines were “carefully followed” for the event. Subscriber comments:
Published by: Amber-a convert
Colorado 11/03/2008 01:42 PM EST
Gary,
I know you mean well, but there is one thing you seem to have forgotten to consider. Since our Supreme Court was the legislative body that approved abortion for our country, its VERY important to vote for a pro-life presidential canidate. Why? The next President will probably get the chance to appoint two new Supreme Court judges. If they are pro-life then there IS an opportunity for the abortion law to be over turned! Also, the US Bishops are not "telling you who to vote for". They are telling you the churches policies on life, and it is NOT their fault that the Democratic canidate happens to be pro-abortion (this is also the democratic parties plateform). The Bishops who have spoken out have also CLEARLY stated that abortions should be reduced not only by getting rid of the abortion law but also by helping pregnant women. It is true, we have had some very bad Bishops, but these Bishops who are speaking out are concerned and wonderful men. They know that when people vote for life, blessings will follow. I would also like to say I loved the comment by Kit.
Published by: antran
Atlanta GA 30310 USA 10/28/2008 11:50 AM EST
Each Bishop is the teacher in his own diocese, under the supervision of the Holy Father in the Vatican. Some teachers in Catholic schools show their diplomas to impress their students but not all of them teach the Church's doctrine. Ph.D.s in particular sometimes try to attract students with novelty and err in their pursuit of novelty. Then come politicians: some of these (no naming names) have opened 101 Theology course and have the effrontery to call their bishop in to hear them pontificate for abortion, same sex marriage, euthanasia and so on.
Published by: Lisa Sagers
North Pole, AK United States 10/27/2008 05:23 PM EST
John 70
According to the Churches teaching. People such as CosaMostro excommunicate themselves, by not believing a doctrine of the faith, which the teaching on the 'right to life as foundational to all other human rights' is. When these people who have excommunicated themselves come up to receive the Most Blessed Eucharist they are in fact telling a lie with this action and committing a sacrilege. This certainly does weaken the Body of Christ.
Published by: Gary
Lawrence, Kansas,U.S. 10/23/2008 11:59 PM EST
I give up. I refuse to bend to the authority of any of the bishops of the Catholic Church. I fooled myself when joining 22 years ago that I could disagree with certain dogmatic decrees and still be Catholic. I became enraptured with the mass and the community. I even said rosaries, wore my miraculous medal always, and never missed mass. I've signed petitions against abortion. I have publicly stated opposition to Roe vs. Wade, in accordance with church teaching. But I will not allow anyone to tell me how to vote. And it is pretty obvious that is precisely what the Catholic church is doing. I have a long list of reasons why I think Barack Obama should be our next president, and in about twelve days will be voting for him. But since the preponderance of opinion by the hierarchy of the Catholic church is that one cannot do that, when I cast my vote it will not be as a Catholic. I have a firm belief in Christ and would wish none harm. I pray for the day when this law will be overturned for the innocent. However I do not subscribe to the position that simply voting for a pro-life candidate will cause this to occur. Pro-Life presidents have been in office for all but 12 years since Roe vs. Wade has been in place, but nothing has happened. If I believed that any President upon election could either declare or not declare abortion illegal with one pen, it would make it simple. But this is not the case. h I herby renounce my Catholic faith, but not my Christian faith.Pax.
Published by: Dan in Calgary
Calgary Alberta Canada 10/23/2008 03:46 PM EST
CosaMostro:
I cannot disagree with you more. First, paying lip service to stopping abortion is better than actively promoting abortion as an entitlement. Second: Much like the Conservatives up here in Canada, although most conservatives are more personally inclined to opposed abortion, it is very difficult to make headway because most Catholics habitually support the Left with its siren song of "social justice", as encouraged in Canada at least by their Bishops. This leaves the political Right with the prospect of political suicide for moving against abortion. The abortion issue will go nowhere so long as the Catholic vote is parked with the Democrats and stays there, no matter what the Democrats do. Catholics must support the Republicans solidly enough and long enough, until either the Republicans are encouraged to act, or the Democrats are forced to change their tune on abortion to get the Catholic vote back. Only then will the unborn have a chance. Dan in Calgary
Published by: ETHEL
Bism arckND 10/23/2008 02:31 PM EST
Way to go Bishop Martino!!!We could use him here!! Bishop Finn from Kansas has asked his parisheiners to pray and fast for the elections! I have still to hear a request from the pulpet for prayer for the elections. Thank God for these good Bishops !!!!
Published by: John70
Yoncalla Or. U.S.A. 10/23/2008 02:17 PM EST
It is refreshing to see all but one post on this issue supporting Bishop Martino and Church teaching.Cosa Mosto and those who feel as he does should be excommunicated,the Church would be smaller but much stronger,and politicians would have no doubt where Catholics stand on life issues.
Published by: Jakob
Providence/RI/USA 10/23/2008 12:45 PM EST
"The ONLY relevant document is my letter"
Denouncing the USCCB???? Before all of the super neocons get too excited, think about this as Church policy. What if a liberal Bishop were to say the same thing
Published by: Francis Xavier. T
Washington, D.C. 10/23/2008 12:22 PM EST
A Man! May God bless you, Your Excellency, Bishop Joseph F. Martino. You are a true Shepard.
Published by: Carlton Perry
Annville PA USA 10/23/2008 05:36 AM EST
I was raised in the diocese of Scranton, for me the center of US catholicism. By chance I stumbled on this article. To myself said I, "There, there's your answer." I will now send it to my five adult children. They know my staff is former Bishop Timlin and Scranton catholicism.
Published by: Daniel
Houston/TX/USA 10/22/2008 11:16 PM EST
I was in the seminary when Bishop Martino was Auxiliary Bishop in Philadelphia. He was such a good example to us and he had a very strong character. We do need many more like him and I heartily reiterate the words of Sam in the previous post. May God bless you and preserve you Bishop Martino!
Published by: NAR
Houston-Tx -USA 10/22/2008 10:48 PM EST
I thank God for giving us a true and courageous pastor in Bishop Martino who really cares for his flock. He reminds me of Jesus preaching to the gentiles and the Pharisees. And the time when he was preaching and performing miracles and had to snick out because they were going to through him down the cliff.
I pray and hope that other bishops follow his example. May God bless America!
Published by: Mike Drabik
Toledo, Ohio 10/22/2008 10:39 PM EST
I happened on this article through a Google news alert. 50 million dead is the key here. Though I am troubled by the American bishops continued involvement in the cover-up of the sexual abuse victims and believe with all my heart everyone of them must held accountable; yet, truth is still truth. A bishop is still the official teacher in any Diocese. Bishop Martino has me thinking. I was not going to vote for either Obama or McCain, but the raw truth of 50 million dead is hard to ignore.
Published by: AWL
Crofton, MD 10/22/2008 09:52 PM EST
Bishop Martino provides a wonderful example of the courage needed to stand up for a culture of life. So many of our bishops are providing great witnesses for us. However, it's unfortunate that Bishop Martino made those comments about the USCCB instead of clarifying the actual meaning of Faithful Citizenship. The document is in line with Bishop Martino's teaching. While certain passages in the document could be made clearer, the main problem is that nos. 34-35 of Faithful Citizenship are taken out of context. I would encourage people to read the whole document and take note of the priority given to life issues (see nos. 22, 26, 31-32, 37, 42, 44). In any case, prophetic witness for the dignity of human life is essential. When our bishops stand up for life, this should renew our own courage to do so. God bless our bishops.
Published by: CosaMostro
Cincinnati, OH 10/22/2008 09:41 PM EST
The bishop's argument relies upon the utter fallacy that a vote for Republicans will result in a legal ban on abortion. The GOP has paid lip service to this issue for decades without achieving any significant progress in eliminating or limiting abortions.
Lay Catholics are sophisticated enough to know when they are being lied to. If a Catholic in good conscience believes that the greater moral good will be served by the Democratic candidate, the bishop has no business looking over his shoulder at the voting booth.
Published by: Linda Garcia
Deer Park, TX USA 10/22/2008 08:47 PM EST
It's refreshing to see Bishop Martino exercise his teaching authority in such an unapolgetic way. I wish we had a thousand more Bishops just like him. I thank God for his courage and his leadership.
Published by: james
tampa/FL 10/22/2008 07:09 PM EST
God Bless you Bishop Marino!!!! Your authority spoken from your heart is clearly from Christ Jesus our Lord. Thank you for you clarity and may all Catholics form their consciences about your Holy message.
Published by: Dan in Calgary
Calgary Alberta Canada 10/22/2008 06:21 PM EST
I thank God for inspiring these words from Bishop Martino - so forceful, so logical, so compelling.
Our Canadian bishops do exactly what Bishop Martino is warning us about - they justify their support for leftist activism in Canada with the excuse of support for other "life" issues which they claim have equal importance, and for the sake of which they have allied themselves with the very leftists who are the most vigorous defenders of abortion in Canada. And they are pretty subtle too - they do publicly condemn abortion, but it is presented as just one more bingo chip in a long list of social issues that our Bishops purport to be of equal importance. There cannot be "social justice" for those not allowed to be born. Our Canadian bishops have constantly failed to give this issue the priority it deserves over all other so-called "social justice" issues. We have no bishops in Canada who are worthy to stand in Bishop Martino's shadow. God bless America. Dan in Calgary
Published by: Richard Froggatt
West Chester/PA/USA 10/22/2008 04:23 PM EST
"while others were upset that the leader of the diocese made an appearance."
Yeah, and I was upset that my mom caught me smoking when I was thirteen.
Published by: Mike Drabik
Toledo, Ohio, USA 10/22/2008 04:22 PM EST
“No social issue has caused the death of 50 million people,” he said, noting that he no longer supports the Democratic Party. “This is madness people.”
I guess that does say it all. No Bishop has quite said it that way. I am still scandalized by the active participation of all the American bishop in the cover-up and protection of sexual predators in the midst of the Church. But 50 million killed . . . It does not matter who says that - it's a fact. I have some very hard thinking to do over the next two weeks as I was not going to vote either of Obama or McCain. 50 million killed . . . Yet still among many Catholics and others this will have no impact. Many, unknowingly or unknowingly, have accepted the Philosophy of Relativism and its child, Post-modernism. For these folks, who have rejected Natural Law, and the real God and any notion of the Theology of the Body whose parents are the Philosophy of Personalism and Phenomenology, any discussion about the sanctify of human life will fall on deaf ears and any presentation of the results of abortion or euthanasia will fall upon unsympathetic eyes. 50 - million - killed . . . If you're a man or woman truly trying to follow and live the Way of the Lord Jesus you cannot ignore this overwhelming evil on November 4th and still say your being a faithful Christian.
Published by: Kit
Saratoga Springs, NY 10/22/2008 03:53 PM EST
Either you're a Catholic or you're not. Either you accept church teachings and the authority of the magesterium or you don't. This is a fundamental issue of Catholic doctrine. Time for the "cafeteria Catholics" to come clean and admit they might as well be Episcopalians.
Published by: Sam Doucette
Acton, MA, USA 10/22/2008 02:46 PM EST
God bless you, Bishop Martino! I especially loved his forceful declaration of independence from the USCCB and his assertion of his rightful authority as pastor of his diocese. We need more like him!
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