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Catholic bloggers respond to Kmiec criticism
![]() Prof. Douglas Kmiec, Mark Shea and Thomas Peters
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.- Several leading Catholic bloggers have responded to Doug Kmiec’s criticism of “right-wing Catholic bloggers” whom he characterized as “online tormenters” who personally attacked him, distorted his position, and potentially poisoned the relationship between the Holy See and the incoming administration of President-elect Barack Obama. Kmiec, a law professor and a prominent pro-life Catholic supporter of the pro-abortion rights President-elect Obama, had written his essay “A Tangled Web: The Election & the Blogosphere” for Commonweal Magazine. In it, he assailed the “right-wing Catholic blogosphere” for its alleged coarseness and lack of civility. “A hate-filled blogosphere,” argued Kmiec, “feeds a politics of odium, misleading people of faith and good will, diminishing and at times obliterating our ability to know one another.” “Unless the sore losers of November 4 manage to poison the well, the Holy See and the Obama administration should be working more closely together in service to others than any administration in modern memory,” he commented. “Sadly, neighbor-love is not what has overwhelmed my in-box since my Obama endorsement,” his Commonweal Magazine essay continued. “Instead, right-wing blogs and their readers have launched missiles of hate, delivering ad hominem invective of an astonishing vehemence and crassness.” Brian Saint-Paul, editor of Crisis Magazine and InsideCatholic.com, was highly critical of Kmiec’s endorsement of President-elect Obama. He responded to Kmiec’s essay in a Tuesday e-mail to CNA. “While I strongly disagreed with Dr. Kmiec's support for Barack Obama, I have also been sorry to see the personal abuse he's received from fellow Catholics as a result,” he wrote. “If those in the Church can't disagree without resorting to playground insults, we're a sad example to the rest of the world.” “Having said that, I hope Dr. Kmiec doesn't use the immaturity of some of his critics as a reason to avoid the more legitimate concerns of others. There is a conversation that needs to take place here, and it will require thick skins all around.” Thomas Peters, who runs the blog “American Papist,” was critical of Kmiec’s comments. “Blog culture is not homogenous. Kmiec ought to be specific when he says he is being attacked by ‘the blogosphere.’ It's like saying ‘the press’ is attacking you, and then proceeding to only mention things said by the National Enquirer,” he told CNA in a Tuesday e-mail. In his experience, Peters said, incivility, hate and falsehood are not serious problems on Catholic blogs. According to Peters, Kmiec's treatment by leading bloggers, was extremely well-behaved “considering the gravity and intensity of what is at stake here (once again, lest we forget - the lives of millions of unborn children).” “I've written almost 100 articles that mention Kmiec and I would challenge him to find something I wrote that is not a fair criticism.” Peters suggested Kmiec is engaging in misdirection. “He has attempted to move the debate away from the original argument in question (specifically Obama's record on life issues) into the realm of the character assassination he feels he has been subjected to.” “Kmiec constantly points out the vitriolic or silly criticisms he has received, while almost wholly ignoring the substantive disagreements that many prominent members of the pro-life movement have raised in response to his arguments. It shouldn't be surprising that he fares well when he matches himself up against this army of straw men, or in this case, these nameless, faceless ‘bloggers’.” “When someone stops debating and begins merely describing what is happening, I tend to think he has run out of real arguments,” Peters told CNA. “Kmiec was the face of Catholic Obama support,” Peters continued, claiming that Kmiec’s pro-Obama arguments were disseminated among Catholics by Obama supporters in “a coordinated, well-financed campaign.” “Because of these facts, I would say his arguments were singled out for criticism, because they became the arguments for supporting Obama while desiring to be a faithful Catholic.” Peters was dismissive of the idea that bloggers could “poison” relations between the Holy See and the Obama administration. “I think that would be giving the blogosphere way too much pull. I think Kmiec is here preparing an escape hatch should Obama-Vatican relations sour. Such formless entities as the ‘right-wing blogosphere’ can be blamed if there is ever a break-down. “If Kmiec trusts the Vatican so much, shouldn't he trust them to be able to pick out substance from fluff? “There will always be shrill voices in the blogosphere, but just because they are typing doesn't mean everyone is reading or agreeing with them. The best commentary and blogs float to the top, and Kmiec prefers diving into the depths of comment boxes to find mean comments rather than engaging in a rigorous debate with the surface dwellers,” Peters charged. Mark Shea, a Catholic apologist and commentator who blogs at “Catholic and Enjoying It!” explained his take on the situation to CNA on Tuesday, saying he was “extremely dubious” that blogging can poison relations between the Holy See and the incoming Obama administration. He suggested that Kmiec received singular criticism because of his unique position. “It's not like there was a huge field of one-time pro-life Catholic leaders who suddenly turned about and started making excuses for Obama's pro-abortion zeal,” Shea told CNA. “He was one of the most prominent alleged pro-life Catholic voices out there banging the drum for Obama, a man who has pledged to sign the single most destructive act of pro-abortion legislation in American history. What did he expect?” Shea thought that Kmiec’s essay “exploits” the rough-and-tumble nature of blog culture in order to “play the hearts and flowers card.” “Blog culture is, I will be blunt, quite nasty at times. It's characterized by a sort of frontier, libertarian streak of ‘I'll say whatever the hell I want and you can't stop me.’” “James Joyce once described the Church as ‘Here comes everybody.’ The Internet is ‘Here comes everybody--without the guidance or protection of the Holy Spirit,’” Shea added. “So I have little doubt that Kmiec could easily point to any number of crude, hurtful, untrue and nasty attacks on himself, his family, and even his parakeet. That's life everywhere in the blogosphere, not just among right wing Catholics,” he continued. “Things are tough all over.” “I'm not interested in hearing Kmiec moan about how mean people from the bottom of the barrel were to him,” Shea told CNA. “I’m interested in hearing his responses to the very intelligent critiques of his position that were offered by a number of very respectable and honorable Catholics.” Subscriber comments:
Published by: Joseph
West Palm Beach/FL/USA 01/23/2009 01:19 AM EST
Within the first few hours of his inauguration, President Obama has repealed the executive order that banned taxpayer funding of abortions overseas and has issued a strong statement in support of Roe v. Wade. Mr. Kmiec may engage in mental gymnastics to reconcile his support of Barack Obama with the assertion that he remains pro-life, but in reality his position is no longer any different than self-proclaimed Catholics who profess to be personally opposed to abortion but consistently support the expansion of the abortion industry (Kennedy, Pelosi, Biden, etc.)
Published by: Diane
Germanton, NC, USA 01/20/2009 12:40 PM EST
LOL, Miguel, I think SB was being sarcastic -- and quite deliciously, too, I must say. ;)
Published by: sj
baltimore md usa 01/17/2009 11:26 AM EST
How has Kmiec procured a completed abortion and thereby violated Canon 1398? That's the kind of hotheaded comment that lends a little credence to Kmiec's complaints.
Published by: Mary
Chantilly, VA 01/16/2009 09:24 PM EST
Kmiec says:
“Sadly, neighbor-love is not what has overwhelmed my in-box since my Obama endorsement,” his Commonweal Magazine essay continued. “Instead, right-wing blogs and their readers have launched missiles of hate, delivering ad hominem invective of an astonishing vehemence and crassness.” Indeed. He must not look very hard at how "pro-choice" people typically respond to prolife comments or news. I hope Dr. Kmiec will see the light some day, but calling one self "prolife" and helping elect Obama is a hard road. I do not pity Professor Kmiec. I do pity the women and children who will be the victims -- one way or another -- of the proabortion culture in the next 4 years.
Published by: Miguel
Washington, DC, USA 01/16/2009 02:50 PM EST
Commonweal as intellectual and literary? Looks like someone can't tell the difference between intellectual and "pseudo-intellectual." Being "avante garde" (no, scratch that, more like pseudo-avante garde, since no truly fashionable, elite-approved thinker is even religious these days) is no substitute for depth of inquiry and cogency of argument. Politically left-wing Catholics might be very annoyed by the conservatism of First Things, but the truth is that as an intellectual religious magazine, Commonweal can't hold a candle to it. It's not really fair to First Things to even compare the two.
All this is in response to one of the first commenters praising Kmiec and Commonweal while making the same error the professor makes: not dealing with the devastating and substantive criticism of Kmiec's arguments that appeared on varios blogs and websites. I'm sorry, but it's very clear to me that Kmiec's arguments are ultimately incoherent. After the very serious criticism that appeared, it seems to me the only way to avoid that conclusion is to avoid engaging the arguments. Of course, it is also easy to allow oneself to use Kmiec in order to avoid the cognitive dissonance of being a Catholic and voting for the most pro-choice politician ever to become president of this country.
Published by: SB
Fayetteville, AR 01/15/2009 09:13 PM EST
It's actually a great article. Think of all the people out here who have spent so much time wondering, “Have there been any obscure bloggers somewhere who talked bad about Douglas Kmiec”? Well, thanks to Kmiec’s selfless and thankless service in writing that Commonweal article, no one needs to spend countless hours reading through every result for “Kmiec” on Technorati or Google Blogsearch. Doug Kmiec has thoughtfully done that on behalf of all of us, and he is able to list all of the Kmiec trash-talking that has occurred anywhere on the Internet. From now on, anyone who is troubled by the pressing question, “Did anyone say bad stuff about Doug Kmiec before January 2009,” can just look up that Commonweal article and rest easy.
This is yet another reason that Commonweal stands apart as the intellectual and literary magazine that it is.
Published by: john
Richmond/VA/USA 01/15/2009 05:58 PM EST
Doug Kmiec thinks he is still a Catholic in good standing. Isn't he immediately excommunicated as in --
"Canon 1398 A person who procures a completed abortion incurs a latae sententiae excommunication." This is immediate upon committing the offense, so Mr. Kmiec ned not wait for a judge to notice the offense and make a finding. What is left to discuss?
Published by: John M
CO 01/15/2009 02:09 PM EST
Thinking of Doug K reminds me what Charles De Gaulle said during WWII of Petain the WWI hero who collaborated with the Nazis: He was a great man who died in 1938.
Published by: Judith M.
Brainerd, MN, USA 01/15/2009 12:12 PM EST
What a hothouse orchid Kmiec is. He should stay away from the Internet if he can't take honest criticism. He should also stop pretending like everyone who disagrees with him is a barbarian.
Published by: simple soul
australia 01/14/2009 11:29 PM EST
Prhaps we could all try to follow Jesus in this regard He was gentle with a repentant or broken sinner but firm and witty with others when they were misguided or deluded?
Published by: Robert Lockwood
Lafayette, CA 01/14/2009 08:42 PM EST
The problem here is really very simple. No TRUE Catholic has any business supporting Mr. Obama in any way as he is the most anti-Catholic person of signifigance ever elected to our national office - period!
Published by: Annie
USA 01/14/2009 05:56 PM EST
If Mr Kmiec wants to see hate-filled attacks, he ought to check out the Democratic Underground. There are rude uncouth people on all parts of the political spectrum.
Published by: Pam
Longmont, CO, USA 01/14/2009 01:33 PM EST
Why not call Kmiec's position what it really is, support to The New American Holocaust.
The church can only weaken its credibility in its position on protecting the lives of the unborn by continuing to concern itself with being PC. Remember that God isn't concerned about the church being PC. God simply wants the church to act decisively and quickly to facilitate bringing an end to the mass murder of the unborn.
Published by: Maria
Broomfield,CO 01/14/2009 12:52 PM EST
Peters is soo right in his assessment of Kmiec's tactics!
Published by: David
Chicago IL USA 01/14/2009 12:16 PM EST
Thomas Peters' and Mark Shea's responses prove Professor Kmiec's point. Peters' is "dismissive" and Shea calls the professor a "one-tim prolife Catholic leader," as if he is now pro-abortion. If "blog culture" is "nasty" as Mr. Shea says, shouldn't Catholics be all the more civil and respectful?
Published by: Edward J. Sullivan
Charlotte, N.C. U.S.A. 01/14/2009 10:18 AM EST
"Kmiec, a law professor and a prominent pro-life Catholic supporter of the pro-abortion rights President-elect Obama,"
Now here is a fine example of an oxymoron.
Published by: Dan
Santa Fe/NM/US 01/14/2009 07:59 AM EST
Thanks CNA and Mr. Kmiec since you identified 4-5 good bloggers to read moving forward. Clearly Mr. Kmiec is trapped in a form over substance world reflected in his position, arguements and now defensive claims. It's the world of falsehoods. Thank Goodness most all conservative Christians and The Vatican see through him so easily. Also, he is a member of the 'chattering class' as we commoners call them---our edges are a little rough, our language sometimes blunt, but what Mr. Kmiec misses is our hearts are pure and minds clear as can be in a fallen world, and therefore our rage against this man's thoughts were usually not blunted. The lives of the next 50 million unborn will need strong defending not thin skinned chattering.
Published by: Alan
Fredericksburg/VA/USA 01/14/2009 07:50 AM EST
Dr. Kmiec should have known that it is extremely difficult to defend your position when it goes against the teaching of the Church. The true poison here between the Church and the Obama Administration will be supposed Catholics like Dr. Kmiec misrepresenting the doctrine, teachings, and practices of the Church.
Published by: Alan
Fredericksburg/VA/USA 01/14/2009 07:43 AM EST
I think Dr. Kmiec has completely lost touch with reality. When President-elect Obama reached out it wasn't to the Pope, it was to Gay Bishop V. Gene Robinson. This should make Dr. Kmiec and others who think "we can work with him" serious food for thought. The only "sore losers" in this election are the elderly and the unborn. The Church should ask Dr. Kmiec and others putting out the same message to stop acting like they speak for the entire Catholic Church.
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