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Church of England bishop says 'Anglican experiment is over'
![]() Bishop John Broadhurst
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.- Members of the traditionalist Anglican group Forward in Faith recently concluded their annual gathering, which was dedicated to discussing Pope Benedict's overture to Anglicans. The general impression left by the conference was the “Anglican experiment is over,” a mood that was reinforced by Bishop John Hind officially announcing he is ready to become Catholic. The 2009 National Assembly of Forward in Faith was held in the Emmanuel Centre, Westminster, London, October 23-24. The Assembly was originally scheduled before the Vatican announced its unprecedented move, but the issue dominated most of the discussion. Speaking to the press during the event, the Right Reverend John Hind, Anglican Bishop of Chichester, announced he is considering becoming a Roman Catholic. Hind, the most senior traditionalist in the Church of England, told “The Telegraph” that he is willing to sacrifice his salary and palace residence to join the Catholic Church. “This is a remarkable new step from the Vatican,” he said. “At long last there are some choices for Catholics in the Church of England. I'd be happy to be re-ordained into the Catholic Church.” The bishop said that he expects his previous ministry will be recognized in the Catholic Church, but stressed that the divisions in the Anglican Communion could make it impossible to stay. “How can the Church exist if bishops are not in full communion with each other?” he asked. During the conference, the Right Reverend John Broadhurst, who is the Anglican Bishop of Fulham and the Primate of Forward in Faith, affirmed that “the Anglican experiment is over.” Bishop Broadhurst said that Pope Benedict has made his offer in response to the pleas of Anglicans who despair at the disintegration of their Church. “Anglicanism has become a joke because it has singularly failed to deal with any of its contentious issues,” said the bishop. “There is widespread dissent across the [Anglican] Communion. We are divided in major ways on major issues and the Communion has unraveled. I believed in the Church I joined, but it has been revealed to have no doctrine of its own. I personally think it has gone past the point of no return. The Anglican experiment is over.” In an emotional closing speech on Saturday, Bishop Broadhurst used the metaphor of the frog and the boiling pot to describe the current Anglican status. "The temperature at the pot has become intolerable, but the process of boiling started before the ordination of women… The truth is, the tragedy for us is the Church of England has presumed. It's presumed to know better than the tradition on many matters and it's presumed to know better than Jesus Christ about some matters,” he explained. “And It is the presumption of our Church in this present period that has caused such pain and anguish to many of us. “Oh yes, the ordination of women was the water being turned up; we knew that we were going to be cooked to death ... “And what the general (Anglican) Synod did, was to say, ‘We will push the pot towards the edge of the gas, as long as you stay on this side of the pot, with a few ice cubes, it'll be all right,’” Bishop Broadhurst said. Then he explained: “We've never claimed that Anglicanism is the Church of Jesus Christ, and we've always claimed and believed that there needs to be catholic unity.” “This is about Anglicans in communion with Rome and not about Anglicans ceasing to be Roman Catholics,” he also said. The Right Reverend Martyn Jarrett, Anglican Bishop of Beverley, also insisted on the fact that “there are questions over the church's survival,” explaining that the Church of England has changed too dramatically for some traditionalists. “The offer from the Vatican is momentous and I felt a great sense of gratitude that the Roman Catholic Church is thinking about the position of traditionalist Anglicans,” he added. Another participant at the “Forward in Faith” conference, Fr. Edward Tomlinson, Anglican Vicar of St. Barnabas, said that he would be following the lead of Bishop Hind. “The ship of Anglicanism seems to be going down... We should be grateful that a lifeboat has been sent. I shall be seeking to move to Rome. To stay in the Church of England would be suicide,” Fr. Tomlinson said. Forward in Faith is a worldwide association of close to 1,000 clergy and thousands of lay Anglicans founded in 1992 in opposition to the ordination of women as priests or as bishops, and most recently, to the ordination of active homosexuals. The association says that it finds such practices not only “contrary to the Scriptures as they have been consistently interpreted by the two thousand year tradition of the churches of both East and West,” but also as a “new and serious obstacle in the way of reconciliation and full visible unity between Anglicans and the Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches.” Subscriber comments:
Published by: carroll w. mears
okeechobbe, fl 34974 11/25/2009 10:22 PM EST
Henry VIII defended the Pope against Martin Luther. For his defense of the Pope Leo X and Holy Roman emperor Charles V, he gave Henry the title "Defender of the Faith" which the present Qeen still uses. Henry's Book is called Assertio Septem Sacramentorum.
Henrys Book is still available.
Published by: florence tenholder
washington,MO,USA 11/05/2009 09:59 PM EST
Welcome Home! Once you know the history
of your church, you will desire to follow reason. Christ prayed "that all
may be one"; that is our destiny. I will continue to offer to the Father the sacrifice of the Mass continually offered for the salvation of all.
Published by: ssoldie
Brainerd, Mn. America 10/30/2009 02:21 PM EST
We have waited many years for you to come home dear Brethren.
Published by: enid
clacton on sea england 10/30/2009 11:34 AM EST
I am going to speak up for the C of E a much better church we are not dictated to by an old man in Rome.
Published by: Kathleen
Seattle 10/30/2009 01:18 AM EST
God love, bless and protect our beloved Holy Father,PB XVI. I had been pondering
what preparations had been made by our church towards the 500th anniversary of the reformation, only 14 years away. I am so happy and grateful for the workings of the Holy Spirit with our Anglican/Episcopalian brothers and sisters. Henry VIII was one sad situation, and yet how many are aware of the serious and severe anti-Semetic beliefs and practices held by Martin Luther? Jesus, I trust in You.
Published by: Manny Datiles
Rockville, Maryland 10/29/2009 05:37 PM EST
It is awesome to see before our eyes the work of the Holy Spirit, using faithful souls as instruments, to bring about miracles beyond one's expectations. How fortunate for us to live during the reign of John Paul the Great and Benedict the Great! Thank God also for Bishops Hind and Broadhurst, brave and faithful souls! Try as he will, the devil is no match!
Published by: George
San Francisco, CA 10/29/2009 06:15 AM EST
It is great and wonderful thing the
Roman Catholic Church has extended it's
hand to traditional Anglicans.
However, it's more important to be Christ's witness versus Catholic or Anglican...and Both the Roman Catholic
Church and the Anglican Church have
fallen....As the Anglicans say:
"if we say we are without sin, (then)
the truth is not in us."
My prayers are with the Roman Catholic Church (a spiritual safe-haven) and
I especially pray for those who will remain in the Anglican Church
(a spiritual battle ground)..........
May He have Mercy On All of Us!
Published by: Archbishop Brennan
W. Hempstead, NY USA 10/28/2009 09:53 PM EST
One of the important movements after the Oxford Movement was the Order of Corporate Reunion which was established for the pro-Catholic members of the Anglican Church. The OCR still exists and salutes the Vatican adjustment of canon law that will allow Corporate
Reunion of the traditional Anglicans and perhaps others.
Published by: Patrick
San Diego, CA USA 10/28/2009 03:36 PM EST
Welcome Home, men and women of true Christian conscience!
Cradle Catholic - no offense, but the Roman Catholic CHURCH is NOT a "denomination." It IS THE ONE, TRUE CHURCH of CHRIST.
"Rev." Flapdoodle Bailey - we pray that God will grant you Wisdom and Understanding very soon.
VIVA CRISTO REY!
Published by: Ruth
Lincoln, NE, USA 10/28/2009 02:14 PM EST
Welcome home!
But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
We dearly need you, every one. We're in tough times. Pray for us. The Holy Spirit is on the move, and I'm in awe of what He is doing.
God bless you.
Published by: Ed Tomlinson
UK 10/28/2009 05:51 AM EST
As Ed Tomlinson allow me to clarify. I said the ship was going down and that Pope Benedict was sending lifeboats and that it would be suicide not to take his offer seriously....the quotes attributed to me are not a fair reflection!
Published by: Therese
USA 10/28/2009 02:02 AM EST
I have been praying for the conversion of England for a long time. May Our Lady of Walsingham welcome you home, and I welcome you too.
Published by: Charles
Florida, USA 10/27/2009 11:55 PM EST
Welcome home to all of our brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ. Our holy Catholic church needs you! May the infusion of Anglicans into the Catholic church lead us all to a new spiritual awakening and revitalization.
Published by: Karen
Kingsburg CA USA 10/27/2009 10:33 PM EST
Welcome back brothers and sisters! God Bless his Holiness (with complete affection) B16!
Published by: Deb
Houston Texas USA 10/27/2009 10:20 PM EST
I never thought I would be a witness to such an event in my lifetime. With all that is going on in the world this bit of news quietly moves forward. Is this the first of many? Welcome back to Our Lords Table!
Published by: Todd
Minneapolis 10/27/2009 09:34 PM EST
Will Benedict be the Christian unity Pope? There are also reports of progress in communion with the Orthodox churches.
Published by: Cradle Catholic
Palo Alto CA USA 10/27/2009 08:42 PM EST
It's wonderful the Vatican was pro-active and offered a way for our conservative brothers and sisters in Christ to become unified in the Roman Catholic denomination. This is a terrific move.
I'm glad to see some Anglican bishops are willing to humble themselves to re-join the Catholic church, losing the title & role of "bishop" & becoming ordained "priest".
They will bring wisdom with them, and St. Paul was still able to influence many, while chained in prison, proving no one needs a grand platform or a grand title, to be effective in the Body of Christ.
We are *all* servants, from the greatest to the least among us, and the greatest is to serve the least. It is a good witness for the Anglian bishops to give up so much, to obey Christ.
Yes - this should serve as testimony that ordaining women priests and homosexual bishops brings DOWN a denomination, and it is NOT the will of God, per Scripture or Tradition.
I welcome the conservative Anglicans!
Published by: thomas warner
madison/wi/usa 10/27/2009 08:24 PM EST
Welcome home! See you in Rome
Published by: Joe McPherson
Silver Spring, MD USA 10/27/2009 08:10 PM EST
Deum Laudemus! Welcome, brothers and sisters in the Lord!
Published by: Alison
Pine Bush,NY USA 10/27/2009 07:56 PM EST
Welcome home family....welcome home!!!!!!
Published by: Fr Andrew
UK 10/27/2009 06:23 PM EST
Folks, this is all great, BUT: the Church of England is in great spiritual health, and the people whose views you have read here are NOT representative. There is a very vibrant, modern catholic tradition within the Anglican Communion which has embraced the ordination of women as a catholic obedience to the eschatological Church. Personally I shall continue to pray and work for the unity of Christ's Church, but welcoming a small number of disenfranchised Anglicans on the fringes of Anglicanism will not necessarily hasten that great day. And don't forget, many Church of England clergy who left over the ordination of women as priests, eventually returned as they found Rome wasn't exactly to their liking. Praying for realy unity, understanding and communion, Fr Andrew
Published by: Diane McHenry
Alliance, Ohio USA 10/27/2009 06:13 PM EST
Welcome home to Rome dear Anglicans. Hooray for the Holy Spirit and Pope Benedict XVI!
Published by: YOLANDA KNIGHT
HOUSTON TX USA 10/27/2009 05:59 PM EST
INDEED WELCOME BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST. LET US ALWAYS PRAY FOR THE GIFT OF HUMILITY AND PATIENCE FOR ONE ANOTHER AND THE GRACE TO BE OBEDIENT TO OUR HEAVENLY FATHER'S WILL IN ALL THINGS.
Published by: Rasixa
Germany 10/27/2009 04:56 PM EST
I did rejoin to the catholic church many years ago and I felt better, at least. I have more friends all over the world rigth now than I had before and I have more freedom of choice than before. Frankly, I don t practise every petty ritual ...but all in all, it gets me better through life, including fight against abortions.
Published by: Mary
Mankato, MN 10/27/2009 03:40 PM EST
For Anglicans/Episcopalians wishing to cross the Tiber, seek help in the U.S. from Marcus Grodi, P.O. Box 8290, Zanesville, Ohio 43702-8290 and watch his series, "The Journey Home" on the EWTN network presented live on Mondays at 8:00 p.m. EDT, Wednesdays 1:00 p.m. EDT, and Saturdays 11:00 p.m. EDT.
Welcome Home!
Published by: Roger Carrillo
San Antonio Texas 10/27/2009 02:33 PM EST
Welcome back our Beloved lost Anglican sheep who now have been found, I can almost hear St. Michael's Angel's and Arch Angels and Seaphim singing out to the farthest reachest of God's creation. I join in their glorious Rejoiceing. Welcome home we truly missed you !!!!!!!Thank God for our Holy Father Pope BXVI.
Published by: Tim LaJoice
St.Ignace, MI U.S.A. 10/27/2009 01:41 PM EST
I want to also welcome Anglicans home to the Catholic Church. As time goes on, we will see many other brothers and sisters come home to the Catholic Church from other denominations because of the confusion of the theology from these institutions.
Published by: Mary Louise
Morris, MN 10/27/2009 01:26 PM EST
Welcome Home! May the Holy Spirit continue blessing the Roman Catholic Church and our Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI! Thank you, Pope Benedict!
Published by: rob
woodbridge, Virginia USA 10/27/2009 01:05 PM EST
Lets ask God and make sacrifices for unity of the whole body of Christ. The world needs Christ. Their are millions of Christian brothers and sisters throughout the world that continue to be told( and to hold the opinion) that they can do God's work as " separate" bodies. There may be many branches to a tree, but there is only one trunk fed by deep, living roots. Those deep, historical , traditional, but life-giving roots is the See of Peter, in Rome.
Published by: Fr Bill
Fernley, Nevada 10/27/2009 11:19 AM EST
My experience with the current Pastoral Provision has been kindred to Lucy and Charlie Brown and the football.
I hope that the current invitation is not similar.
Published by: Marvin Chupka
Sherwood Park, Alberta, Canada 10/27/2009 11:15 AM EST
When Pope John Paul II was asked how he managed to bring down such a powerful and evil force as communism, he replied, that since this evil tree was already rotten, somebody just needed to give the tree a good kick. And so with Ronald Reagan's help that's exactly what he did.
As a former serious and committed 30 year Anglican who converted to the Catholic Church (12 years ago), one fact always troubled me. The origin of the Anglican Church. It was chiefly inspired by the selfish, immoral, syphilis ridden glutton---King Henry VIII! Such an interesting founder!
Now if you want to talk about rottenous, the tree that became the Anglican Church was rotten from the original seed and female clergy, same sex marriage, abortion etc. became its syphilis. No wonder that Church is falling apart. I am surprised it didn't happen sooner!!!
Published by: Lou
Sanford, NC USA 10/27/2009 11:15 AM EST
Dear Beloved In Christ,
And in the final days My people will become one and in unity with The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost....Alleluia! and Amen!
LJA/JMJ
Published by: Marlene
Naperville USA 10/27/2009 10:59 AM EST
We are joyful to welcome you home. The Holy Spirit at work here.
Published by: Pat Berberet
Stillwater, OK 10/27/2009 10:44 AM EST
Welcome home - our God is truly an
11th hour God! Always taking care of His Church in ways we could never imagine. What a grace!
Published by: Mary Melissa
North Cascades,USA 10/27/2009 10:17 AM EST
Having lived in England for a time, and fallen in love with your rich liturgies and traditions. I feel like the hole in the heart of the Mystical Body that is the Church is being healed. With graditude to God and with tears of JOY in my eyes I say Welcome, Welcome Home.
Published by: Francis Xavier T
Washington, D.C. 10/27/2009 10:02 AM EST
Welcome Home!!! We joyfully welcome you our brothers and sisters in Christ. We should celebrate together.
Published by: John
Baton Rouge/LA/USA 10/27/2009 08:42 AM EST
What a great joy to have our brother Anglicans coming back to Rome. The true body of Christ will now be available to them as will all the other sacraments of the church. Praise God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit and special thanksgiving to the Blessed Mother who will now have more of her children closer to her and protected by her mantle. Oh, what a blessing to see in one's lifetime.
Published by: myles keogh
Fort Riley Kansas 10/27/2009 08:42 AM EST
As I posted last week I want to Welcome all our Anglican Brothers and Sisters into the Catholic Faith. The Holy Spirit is at work here. We are witnessing God's Hand. Bishop Broadhurt's analogy is so accurate of the boiling water.
Again I want to welcome all our Anglican Brothers and Sisters.
Published by: Deborah Rentler
Orefield/PA/USA 10/27/2009 08:27 AM EST
Thanks be to God and WELCOME HOME!!!!
Published by: Sr. Catherine Hagaba
Uganda 10/27/2009 07:20 AM EST
As a Catholic, I am happy that Our Beloved Pope Benedict knows Catholic theology deeply enough to open a needed door for the traditional Anglicans. Welcome home, finally!
Published by: Andrew Nelson
Columbia, SC USA 10/27/2009 06:44 AM EST
To be Catholic is to be humble & obedient to the Church. So-called Catholics who continue to push an agenda against the Church (women ordination, homosexual marriage, etc.) should look at the Anglican Church. It will not work, and more importantly, it can lead souls away from Christ. Pride is the root of this dissent. People thinking they are more enlightened than the Church need to look in the mirror. Christ said follow me & the Church has the only authority on earth from Christ, not individual members.
Published by: Chris
Australia 10/26/2009 10:57 PM EST
The Catholic church welcomes its Anglican brothers and sisters with love. Welcome home.
Published by: Rev. Steve Bailey
Coquitlam, BC Canada 10/26/2009 09:04 PM EST
There remain millions of Anglicans in the world quietly going about the gospel work committed to them by Jesus Christ. That means far more than the braying bishops and their arrogant meaningless pontificating about the 'end of the Anglican experiment'. Really, now! Think about it and see these guys for what they are - political purveyors of churchianity and religious institutional claptrap. And that's right; I'm an Anglican clergy person who is running out of patience with patent nonsense.
Published by: John Davis
Pittsburgh, PA 10/26/2009 07:20 PM EST
Too many to swim the Tiber, The Pontifex Maximus, Benedict XVI, had to build them a bridge!
Published by: Ken
Portland, Oregon USA 10/26/2009 07:06 PM EST
Welcome Home Anglican Brothers and Sisters! We're sure you'll bring a fresh perspective and tradition to enrich all of us. Thanks and Welcome!
Published by: Kathy
Chicago 10/26/2009 06:57 PM EST
Welcome!
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