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Kmiec and Robert George disagree on how to deal with Obama and abortion
![]() Professors Robert George, Mary Ann Glendon, Douglas Kmiec
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.- Prof. Doug W. Kmiec of Pepperdine University and Prof. Robert P. George of Princeton University debated at the National Press Club on Thursday about the role of Catholics in politics and whether pro-life concerns should encourage support for or opposition to President Barack Obama. “On which issues will we support the President’s direction, and on which will we challenge him because he is heading in the wrong direction? Those pro-life Americans who voted for him and support him should not object when we speak for the most vulnerable and defenseless of our fellow human beings, even when that means severely criticizing the President’s policies. They should stand with us on common ground, and join their voices with ours.” Subscriber comments:
Published by: Constance
CT, USA 06/05/2009 12:19 PM EST
Our president is a co-author of FOCA. He told Planned Parenthood he would sign this bill if he became president. How a majority of Catholics voted for him when this Act would be the most extreme act against all Christians of faith who believe in the sanctity of life. Life! Life! Without it one cannot have any other benefits and stopping war, feeding the starving, letting in immigrants can't compare to this most precious value. If our president doesn't believe in the humanity of an unborn child, how does he think he can be a partner in stopping war and promoting peace? We must pray very hard for him.
And, for you Catholics who voted for him, you must rise against any of his policies that promote more death. Please be responsible.
Published by: Johnny
Ann Arbor 06/02/2009 07:36 AM EST
In all sincerity, let's consider all of the points that Kmiec makes, but in reference to another seeker of common ground: Satan.
Satan listens to us, but does not agree with us. Satan often seeks to have us pursue other priorities, so we can ignore the ones that really matter like life eternal with Jesus. Satan believes in our perceived proportionate reasons, because anyone who stops selling themselves completly out to God, has turned away from him. Satan's PRIMARY goal is to SEEK COMMON GROUND with us, but unfortunatly for us, the only common ground we can share with him is our created existence, sin, and hell. I have met Kmiec, and I believe him to sincerely care about the Catholic church. But when you are tooth and nail fighting with Bishops, the shepherds of the church, when your final point is a sob story about how a priest didn't think your mouth was worthy for Jesus Christ, maybe, just maybe, there is the slightest chance your reasoning might be wrong???? I pray for Kmiec's soul, for as it is written "Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe (in me) to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were put around his neck and he were thrown into the sea." Mark 9:42
Published by: J.Gibbs
Oswego, IL 06/01/2009 11:17 AM EST
Wonderful opportunity to hear two viewpoints, ie., debate. I have felt intuitively that Obama actually does not believe the embryo is a "life". He believes it is just tissue and not a life until it is born or "living" and crying out loud. Prof. George hit the nail on the head.
Published by: Russ Craigmile
Alexandria, MN USA 06/01/2009 11:01 AM EST
It is all so simple, really. You are either for life or not. The President is striving for social justice. What is more important in social justice than the right to life?
Published by: Radomysl Twardowski
Bismarck, ND, USA 06/01/2009 09:39 AM EST
I disagree with Mr. Kmiec's approach to the politics of abortion and his support of someone who supports abortion. I just don't see how two wrongs can make a right. "Let your speech be yes yes and no no", Mt 5:37.
Published by: Bill Sr.
Jacksonville, FL 06/01/2009 08:24 AM EST
If you can base your argument for “legal” abortion on the fact that a mother has the “right to terminate” the life of the infant in her womb because she does not want it to exist any longer, is that any different from premeditated murders?
Is the pregnant mothers “ownership” of the person to be terminated that authors the “right”? Could the same mother ‘eliminate’ her two year old child? What’s the difference? Is the two year old part of society and there by protected by the “state” who could take the child from her if they knew her intentions? Then who actually “owns” our children? When does the ownership take place? If it’s at conception then exactly what is it that the mother “owns”? What is it that mothers and fathers are so concerned about and law enforcement, medics, hospital personnel, and doctors use every medical technology available to track and care for that is in the womb during a woman’s pregnancy? Well if it isn’t a human life them what’s all the fuss about? But if it is, then abortion is just and another kind of premeditated murder and no different than the terrible killing of Dr. Tiller in Kansas yesterday. The ONE question that MUST BE ANSWERED for society is; when does life begin? Unfortunately, like our president, no one in government wants to answer that question but they are perfectly willing to make laws based on their “assumptions” regarding it.
Published by: JLS
Riverside, CA, USA 06/01/2009 12:32 AM EST
Kmiec is a spiritually and religiously corrupt.
Published by: Robert Lockwood
Lafayette,CA 06/01/2009 12:13 AM EST
First of all, by definition Kemic is not a Catholic therefore any comments he makes are personal opinions and carry no validity. Second, Obama is a typical smoke screen democrat whose only aim is to makes one think he is doing one thing while doing another. Obama is the most anti-Catholic president ever and we must recognize this. Ther is no "middle ground" on the TEN COMMANDMENTS.
Published by: James
Tampa/FL 05/31/2009 08:43 PM EST
Prof. Kmiec has made himself irrelevant and shame on the Catholic News Agency for even putting forth his pathetic excuses for supporting the evil that is promoted by Barrack Hussein Obama. For his own soul Mr Kmiec better not receive the most Holy Eucharist until he repents of his mortal sin he commits in working for the election and now promotion of this man, our President, who is an elitist through and through. I have and will continue to pray for the conversion of our President and for Doug Kmiec as well. Our nation needs a huge revival of grace received so men like Obama can never again have the chance to destroy this nation from within with so many complicit Catholics.
Published by: Dan
Santa Fe/NM/US 05/31/2009 08:18 PM EST
Kmiec may get an "A' in debate class but sadly he flunked ethics and Catholic morality 101. Please tell us who deemed this sophist 'a promienent Catholic'?
Published by: Robert Matzinger
Taylor/Michigan/USA 05/31/2009 07:31 PM EST
How can we as Catholics not at least voice our opposition to the worlds foremost abortionist, President Obama? If we did not, it would be abandoning our faith and belief in Christ and our Holy Mother! Obama is simply not concerned about the life of the unborn, and if we are not, who will speak for them? It is our role as Catholics and believers in the Holy Trinity to oppose all those who would take the life of the unborn and make our voices and prayer be heard!
Published by: Dr. W. Luckey
Fronr Royal, VA 05/31/2009 06:26 PM EST
I have been a consistent critic of Prof. Kmiec, especially in my blog, and in articles in CNA. Why there is any interest in what he has to say is beyond me. Prof. George states the true Catholic teaching very well; Kniec clouds the issues, and hence fogs the minds of our weaker brethern. He should not even be on a panel with George and Glendon.
Published by: John
IL 05/31/2009 05:22 PM EST
George is correct. Kmiec has lost his way...and even now wants to redefine marriage. His logic on the marriage issue is just as illogical.
Published by: dAVID LARSEN
scituate Mass. USA 05/31/2009 04:08 PM EST
Common ground is to be grounded in the love of Christ and with a respect for all life. Christ died on the cross to save all from sin and to bring all to redemption by the forgiveness of sin. Without the sacrifice of Christ on the cross all are dead in their sins. This is Christian theology. This is universal common ground. Catholic!
Thou shalt not kill is sin on many levels,one of which is abortion. This is not a single issue it is profoundly universal. Abortion is a consequence of "The New Morality"and that is no morality at all! The political agendas of these days seek to destroy convention and tradition to establish uncertain circumstances in law that are always subject to change. "Common Ground"and the term "Change"guarantee uncertain times and continually redefined agendas. The one thing certain is uncertainty! Debate about uncertainty is a certainty! "One can't serve God and mammon"! ADD A COMMENT (Your e-mail will NOT be published):
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