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Life doesn't start at conception, but after says Cardinal Martini in dialogue with bio-ethicist
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.- Italian Vatican analyst Sandro Magister is releasing a long dialogue Cardinal Martini sustained with Ignazio Marino, famous Italian bio-ethicist, and director of the Center of transplants of the Jefferson Medical College in Philadelphia, about abortion, in-vitro fecundation and contraception And the answer is: “not immediatly with conception, but after” said Cardinal Martini, about when life starts, “with the consequences that derive from it,” added Magister. The long dialogue between the two men will be released in the next issue of the weekly “L’espresso,” a center-left weekly tomorrow, it will be made available by Sandro Magister in his website in English The Jesuit Cardinal, now 79, a great specialist of Holy Scriptures, and former Archbishop of Milan from 1979 to 2002, lives today in Jerusalem, where he resumed his biblical studies. During the pontificate of John Paul II, Cardinal Martini was known to be the preeminent representante of the “progressive” opposition. The same opinion continues to be circulate about him regarding the new pope. On the issues tackled in the dialogue, Cardinal Martini seldom expressed his views, even during the heated debate in his country about allowing artificial fecundation. He questionned the Church’s official position who is intransigent in defending “each human life from conception to naturla death, with no exception.
On euthanasia, he says “We can never approve of it,” but he adds we shouldn’t “condemn persons that carries out such an act on the demand of persons reduced and by pure altruistic feelings.”
Subscriber comments:
Published by: Brendan Bradley
Ireland 07/10/2009 06:06 AM EST
I agree with Jacques DUMON: Martini has fallen into the trap of relativism and consequently the justification of 'micro' abortion through the morning after pill.
Hans Kung et al were disciplined for spreading heresy. Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger's successor as Prefect of the CDF should warn Martini of similar action if he doesn't stop spreading that insidious and corrosive moral relativism which Benedict has so often warned about. It has no bounds and is the very oxygen of abortion rationale.
Published by: dan burke
Chicago/Illinois 04/26/2006 04:58 AM EST
What Martini acknowledges is that there is an ongoing bio-ethics debate regarding the “onset of life”. Prior to implantation, is there life if an embryo needs sustenance? Without implantation it obtains none and until then it has none!
Hence Martini admonishes: “The Church’s task is rather “to form consciences, teach the discernment of the best choice in every situation, and give the profound reasons for good actions.” Accordingly, when is it that the embryo is infused with the next soul?.....is it when the “soul shop worker” calls out that day’s bakery order number with the words….next! soul number 127? Besides everyone knows that a soul doesn’t arrive until it is delivered by FedEx, UPS or DHL and then and only then do we learn the sex discerning from the wrapping ribbon, be it blue or pink, whether the soul belongs to a girl or a boy; but be it a “muted color ribbon”….well maybe it’s a soul whose sexual identity was not wired correctly making the inhabitant of this soul gay or lesbian…but never-the-less worthy of salvation because we all know that you do not throw the baby out with the…..holy water! Dan Burke Chicago
Published by: Gloria C
Brea, CA, USA 04/25/2006 04:37 PM EST
"When did the Word become Flesh?" I'll take God's Word over anyone's!
Published by: henry
virginia 04/25/2006 11:50 AM EST
Read St. Thomas Aquinas - human life does not begin until a soul is infused, probably at quickening. All life is not human life - the soul makes it human. Also someone pointed out something about the Immaculate Conception - another Doctor of the Church, St. Bernard, would also question this doctrine, as well as our Orthodox brothers.
Published by: Pavia Milne
Queensland, Australia 04/25/2006 03:00 AM EST
God forgive him , he does not know what he is doing! Let us pray unceasingly for Cardinal Martini. He needs so much prayers. God bless the whole world!
Published by: Marc Dillon
New Orleans, LA 04/24/2006 07:20 PM EST
It is too bad Thomas A. Gosink (see below) and the good Cardinal Martini don't understand that to hold this position is to deny the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception. The Dogma decrees that from the first moment of her Immaculate Conception, Mary was free from Original Sin. The Council of Trent affirms that Original Sin is a condition of the soul. Then again, for those who possess the “sense of faith” this is a no brainier—a simple reading of Catechism will up clear up any misunderstanding. It is clear that in his elder age, Cardinal Martini, is…how should I put this nicely… “loosing his faculties to reason clearly.” For this we must pray for him and be greatful for his many years of service to the Church. It is too bad others, with a sophomoric understanding of the mysteries of faith, are anxious to jump on board Martini’s bandwagon. Lastly, Gosink’s reference to God as the “biggest abortionist of human life” is blasphemous.
Published by: dan burke
Chicago IL 04/24/2006 04:29 PM EST
What Martini acknowledges is that there is a bio-ethics debate on the timing of the independent existence of life capable of being sustained upon implantation and until then the debate goes on as to whether life exists and accordingly when is that embryo infused with the next soul taken off the shelf by the "assigner" who calls out that day's bakery order number with the words "next number 127". B esides everyone knows that a soul doesn't arrive until its delivered by FedEx, UPS or DHL and then and only then do we also learn the sex discertning from the wrapping ribbon be it blue or pink whether the soul belongs to a girl or a boy; but be it a muted color ribbon...well maybe it's a person whose sexual identity did not wired correctly making them...well gay or lesbian..but never-the-less worthy of salavtion because we all know you don't throw the baby out with the.....holy water!
Dan B
Published by: Priscilla M Sabatino
Lake Hiawatha, NJ 04/24/2006 02:49 PM EST
Instead of all the holier than thou attitudes from self righteous people about the wounds of the church and this priestly son of God and Our Lady,, Why don't you all start prayer groups and pray that the Holy Spirit will do what I am sure mankind and perhaps even the Holy Father cannot do. Please dear friends, remember with GOD all things are possible.
Peace and love to all
Published by: ROSEMARY
CLOVIS, NM USA 04/24/2006 11:43 AM EST
CARDINAL MARTINI IS SO WRONG AND IT IS SO SAD THAT HE IS A JESUIT, FOR I HAVE KNOWN MANY A 'GOOD'JESUIT IN MY DAYS (82) WHO WERE LOYAL TO ROME AND THE HOLY FATHER'S TEACHIINGS...
YES, WE NEED TO PRAY FOR THIS MAN(PRIEST)THAT HE BE SNATCHED FROM T HE HAND OF THE ENEMY AND RETRACT HIS (INTELLIGENTIA)THINKING FOR HE IS SURELY DOING THE WORK OF THE DEVIL..."FOR THE SAKE OF HIS SORROWFUL PASSION, HAVE MERCY ON US AND THE WHOLE WORLD". I TRULY HOPE THE HOLY FATHER WILL DRAW THE TERRIBLE SWIFT SWORD OF EXCOMMUNICATION IMMEDIATELY FOR THE SAKE OF OUR DEAR CATHOLIC CHURCH AND ALL THE FAITHFUL...
Published by: Thomas A. Gosink, Ph.D. retired academic
Golden, CO USA 04/24/2006 11:19 AM EST
Cardinal Martini is just beginning to get it right. If only the black and white legalists would pay attention to modern medical science of the last 50 years, they would know that 50% (or more) of fertilized ova are spontaneuosly aborted in the first week or two. Thus the church's legal definition that life begins at conception makes God the biggest abortionist of human life, bar none. St. Thomas Aquinas, Doctor of the Church, came to the conclusion centuries ago that the infusion of a human soul must come later than conception.
Published by: WORDS OF JESUS CHRIST
Every Town / Every State / Every Country 04/24/2006 03:28 AM EST
"ONE SHOULD NEVER ATTACK A PRIEST, EVEN WHEN HE'S IN ERROR, RATHER ONE SHOULD PRAY & DO PENANCE THAT I'LL GRANT HIM MY GRACE AGAIN. HE ALONE FULLY REPRESENTS ME, EVEN WHEN HE DOESN'T LIVE AFTER MY EXAMPLE! WHEN A PRIEST FALLS WE SHOULD EXTEND HIM A HELPING HAND THROUGH PRAYER & NOT THROUGH ATTACKS. I MYSELF WILL BE HIS JUDGE. NO ONE BUT I! WHOEVER VOICES JUDGEMENT OVER A PRIEST HAS VOICED IT OVER ME: CHILD, NEVER LET A PRIEST BE ATTACKED, TAKE UP HIS DEFENSE. CHILD, NEVER JUDGE YOUR CONFESSOR, RATHER PRAY MUCH FOR HIM & OFFER EVERY THURSDAY, THROUGH THE HANDS OF MY BLESSED MOTHER, HOLY COMMUNION (FOR HIM). NEVER AGAIN ACCEPT AN OUT-OF-THE-WAY WORD ABOUT A PRIEST, & SPEAK NO UNKIND WORD (ABOUT THEM) EVEN IF IT WERE TRUE! EVERY PRIEST IS MY VICAR & MY HEART WILL BE SICKENED & INSULTED BECAUSE OF IT! IF YOU HEAR A JUDGEMENT (AGAINST A PRIEST) PRAY A HAIL MARY. IF YOU SEE A PRIEST WHO CELEBRATES THE HOLY MASS UNWORTHILY, THEN SAY NOTHING ABOUT HIM, RATHER TELL IT TO ME ALONE! I STAND BESIDE HIM ON THE ALTAR! OH, PRAY MUCH FOR MY PRIESTS, THAT THEY'LL LOVE PURITY ABOVE ALL, THAT THEY'LL CELEBRATE THE HOLY SACRIFICE OF THE MASS WITH PURE HANDS & HEART. CERTAINLY THE HOLY SACRIFICE IS ONE & THE SAME EVEN WHEN IT'S CELEBRATED BY AN UNWORTHY PRIEST, BUT THE GRACES CALLED DOWN UPON THE PEOPLE IS NOT THE SAME!" (Our Lord's Revelations to Mutter Vogel, 1937.)MARY, QUEEN OF THE CLERGY, PRAY FOR THEM.
P.S. - Comments on the Immaculate Conception make sense & point out the truth of life.
Published by: Bob
Ohio,USA 04/23/2006 11:03 PM EST
Divine Mercy Sunday in heaven--St Ignatius Loyola excrutiatingly laments to St Robert Bellarmine, St Francis Xavier, St Peter Canisius, St Stanislaus Koska, Aloysius Gonzaga, Peter Claver that many members of "the Society" are going to hell. "What happened to our order, he asks? Oh, if our Divine Merciful Lord would only let us return to earth!! Where should we go first? Heretic Martini, Univ of SanFrancisco, or Georgetown Univ??"
Published by: Lynne
Thorndike, mass USA 04/23/2006 04:08 PM EST
Take a sperm and an egg and keep them separate, what do you get ---- nothing. Put them together and what to do get - - no ifs an's or buts. I think the Cardinal should simplify his thinking.
Published by: theresa gleason
bound brook, nj, usa 04/23/2006 10:00 AM EST
RETIRE...REPENT...RETRACT...RETIRE...REPENT...RETRACT....RETIRE....REPENT....RETRACT....GET THE POINT????
Published by: Deacon John
USA 04/23/2006 09:29 AM EST
I wonder if Cardinal Martini wrote the Gospel of Judas?
Published by: Norma
Parlin/NJ?USA 04/23/2006 08:42 AM EST
I think Cardinal Martini has had one too many.
Published by: ellen
madison,wi 04/21/2006 06:26 PM EST
Mother Mary, pray for this man !
Published by: Kaye
The Ozarks, USA 04/21/2006 06:13 PM EST
The gates of hell shall not prevail against the Church--Our Lord Himself promises. The Church will triumph and Martini and company will get what they deserve--we should be praying for his soul. Martini's utterances on this topic are just another putrescent symptom of the "I will not serve" disease that is rampant among clergy and laity alike. Pray for the conversion of Catholics to Catholicism.
Published by: Dolores Kozlowski
Maryland,USA 04/21/2006 06:02 PM EST
What can anyone say? This is wrong. This man is not some poor ignorant lay person, he is a Cardinal. How many people will he lead astray? God have mercy on him. This is another sign that we are in end times. Pray!
Published by: Ron Pichlik
Battle Creek, MI USA 04/21/2006 05:48 PM EST
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, HOWEVER, Cardinal Martini needs to remove the red cap, resign and become Mr. Martini, if he wishes to express his opinion. In his current position he is obligated to hold and adhere to Church teaching on this, (and all matters). He does great harm in sharing his asinine, thoughts and musings when they run contrary to the teachings of Jesus Christ thru His One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
My advice; spend less time listening to fools and more reading the Catechism and Aquinas.
Published by: lynn
rhode island\usa 04/21/2006 04:29 PM EST
We must pray for our HOLY MOTHER CHURCH because satan is useing any means he can to destroy her.Envoke the HOLY NAME of JESUS and pray the ROSARY say the chaplet of DIVINE MERCY and beg GOD"S MERCY> Make it clear to satan he will not win.
Published by: Mark
Ireland 04/21/2006 04:11 PM EST
Whatever about this cardinal.......
".......there is no real proof that something really happened on sexual abuse." Dear Mr Dancy and others, who may share his 'opinion'..... I am the proof you need that it happened and continues to do so. One man here killed himself three weeks ago becaue this 'Church' continues to fail to recognise/acknowledge the true depth of this evil. How dare the likes of you insult the incalulable suffering caused to the likes of me by these 'priests' - who would still be getting away with it, were it not for the outcry of 'liberal' and 'secular' voices. People like YOU are the types who destroy the faith of millions. Evil flourishes when the good sit back and do nothing (or say nothing). You are a disgrace to the Faith, to your fellow man and to God, coming out with trash like that. Shame on YOU !!!!!!!!! May God forgive you. Will pray for you. Mark (Ireland )
Published by: marie
NYC 04/21/2006 03:58 PM EST
I think I read yesterday that Cardinal Martini is a loose cannon. Our opponents will leap for joy, but I know we will hold strong.
Published by: Leonard J. LEBLANC
New Brunswick, Canada 04/21/2006 03:47 PM EST
The Sacred Heart of Jesus is full of love for His priest, red hat or not. It is all part of the purification we must keeo our eyes focus on Christ and not on the "red hats". Remember Christ had to tolerate Judas, by far the greatest traitor in history.
Published by: Mary
Minnesota 04/21/2006 03:45 PM EST
I think Martini is ticked off at not being made Pope, and he's decided to let 'er rip and give the current Pope some headaches.
Published by: Bob Sandford
Toronto, Ontario 04/21/2006 03:27 PM EST
I just can't believe that a Cardinal has made such a ridiculous comment regarding the beginning of life, right after the address of our Holy Father on Feb 27, where he very clearly states that it is at the exact moment of conception. He obviously does not agree with our Holy Father & should be disciplined!
Published by: Joyce
Wisconsin, USA 04/21/2006 03:10 PM EST
I can understand better now after Our Lady at Garabandal informing the seers "Many priest, bishops and cardinals are on the road to perdition and taking many souls with them.
Published by: Claire Marcus
Huntington Beach/CA/USA 04/21/2006 03:07 PM EST
I believe the Cardinial has Alzheimer's or early dementia. He is certainly not thinking clearly, even for a liberal. It is time he is retired, involuntarily, if necessary. This is not the time the Faithful need more confusion in the Church, but clear and constant teaching. May the Holy Spirit give the Holy Father the courage to send him to a monastery where he can do no more harm. This is a time for "shape up or ship out." "He who is not with me is against me." There is no middle ground.
Published by: d
waterbury/ct/usa 04/21/2006 03:02 PM EST
pray, pray , pray! Especially for errant priests. Our Most Blessed Mother would rather we'd pray for this misguiding priest-instead of talking badly about him-pray! pray! pray!
Published by: Jerrod
Minerva, OH 04/21/2006 02:58 PM EST
I dont' think it would be right for the Pope to ex-communicate him by force. That is not his design. He is supposed to embrace this man or any man and show him the path of truth. It is up to the catholic (notice the small 'c') church to show him how things are. We all get away from our faith a little bit, however it is up to us to to keep trying to teach him the way so that he can return to the church. We must establish our hate through love, this is sorta what Jesus taught us, he told us to love our neigbors, that means if they believe in abortion and they are the pope. He and the Pope aren't the catholic church, they are only part of the mere 'Roman Catholic church'. We are all invited to Gods kingdom and we should not play the role of God to judge people. We love them as Jesus our Lord did, and show them the path to eternal life.
Published by: John
Hayward, WI USA 04/21/2006 02:20 PM EST
Did someone knock the sense (common & otherwise) out of the Jesuits or are many of them smoking something funny? America Magazine has been a prime example. It's appropriately named--only in America could such non sense be preached and published.
Published by: Bill Helmer
Albany, New York 04/21/2006 02:16 PM EST
Although I am a traditional Catholic, I must concede that Martini has something of a point here. The infusion of the rational human soul into the matter that results from "active conception" prior to the point in time at which twinning and "untwinning" can occur (about 14 days thereafter) poses apparently insurmountable theological problems regarding both the origin and teleology of the human soul. Frankly, I have always found the "immediate hominization" position to smack of modernism. That position is really just a cloaked denial of the importance of the soul--God's creation alone--to the genesis of each human person. I take some comfort in the fact that the Popes are still careful not to say that the "active" and "passive" conception are the same event or even simultaneous events. For instance, take a look at the carefully nuanced language (the version in Latin is best) of paragraph 60 of Evangelium Vitae.
Published by: SUZANNE
Canada 04/21/2006 01:57 PM EST
If this is from the leader of the Church, it's understandable why lesser heretics and dissenters don't get disciplined.
Published by: Greg
Walla Walla, Wa 04/21/2006 01:48 PM EST
What do you expect from a cardianl that is a Jesuit?
Published by: Kevin Kenny, O.F.M. Conv.
Fonda, NY USA 04/21/2006 01:19 PM EST
Even aside from medical science, the Blessed Mother at Lourdes declared, "I am the Immaculate Conception." She would never have made that declaration if she hadn't been present in her conception!!!
Published by: catroina
ny 04/21/2006 01:15 PM EST
ANY priest stating that
life does NOT begin at conception is simply a heretic---regardless of their position in the church hierarchy. pray for him. without doubt it's TRUE that the church is well infiltrated with marxists and masons.
Published by: henry
virginia 04/21/2006 01:02 PM EST
If a scientist fertilizes an egg in a laboratory creating an embryo, is this "life" or "human life?" What makes this life form human? Is it a soul, since humans have souls? Can the scientist impart a soul to some cells in a petrie dish in the lab? Or does human life begin at quickening as some canonized theologians have proposed?
Published by: Eastern Orthodox Friend
Georgia 04/21/2006 01:00 PM EST
Although our Churches are separated, I have many friends and family who are devout Catholics. I watch their struggle for the love of the Church.
It seems to me that the church of the West suffers too much liberalism and the church of the East suffers too little love. I am not assuming that the East have it all 'right' but let's face it, we still have many unwavering traditions carried on from the Apostles that never changed. And this, NOT by our own doing but ONLY by the Grace of God! Of course, being right or having 'correct worship' means NOTHING without LOVE whether Orthodox or Catholic. But I watch how my friends out of SO MUCH LOVE for Christ and the Eucharist, suffer a liberal priest who has one foot in the grave everytime he decides to 'change' the wording of the Consecration. It is unfortunate that clergy who never heard the Sheperd's 'call' have somehow managed to penetrate into the heart of the Sanctuary to spread lies based on human opinion, which is fed by it's daily bread of 'rationalism'. May our Lord Jesus Christ take pity on His Churches and have mercy on these men. Judas, was 'unwilling' to understand Jesus' Teachings although he had EVERY opportunity and the same grace afforded to him as did the other Apostles. Let us not be angry, let us lament/pray/ and repair for them! That the Lord will give them time to 'repent' and learn. Pray for the unification of the Dates of Easter! Lord have mercy on Your Churches and all men!
Published by: Anastacia
California 04/21/2006 12:54 PM EST
This is what happens when religious do not serve the Lord and get involved with things of this world. May the Lord open their hearts and minds to the truth and the light which is Jesus Christ. May the Lord have mercy on their souls that are now in danger.
Published by: Frank Kaiser, Capt USMC (Ret)
Oakdale, CA, United States 04/21/2006 12:39 PM EST
Cardinal Martini is a heretic and needs to be silenced. I'm not surprised he's a Jesuit.
Published by: Esteban
Costa Rica 04/21/2006 12:31 PM EST
What I find most apalling of Cardinal Martini's comments is this would should contempt and ungratefulness to John Paul II who appointed him cardinal, at a time when the Jesuist where having a confrontation with the Holy See over the issue of marxism and Liberation Theology. In spite of this, JPII appointed Martini cardinal, since he is a Jesuit, in order to show hiw appreaciation to the Jesuit order. The issue of conception was of the main topics of JPII's papacy, and to see this man disrespect not only the catholic faith but the memory of his mentor, demonstrates the vile character of Martini's soul. ¡What a disgrace!
Published by: Paul Rinderle
Fairfax Va. 04/21/2006 12:10 PM EST
"Abortion is advocated only by persons who have themselves been born."
Ronald Reagan 40th president of US (1911 - 2004
Published by: Regina
Blackwood NJ USA 04/21/2006 12:02 PM EST
We humans were created by God to procreate. Once it occurs and the woman conceives, that is LIFE..
Life to be born into this world and planet called Earth... We are to do HIS will. Not our Will be done, but God's Will.
Published by: frances
picayune,ms usa 04/21/2006 11:46 AM EST
AND WE WONDER WHY THE BLESSED MOTHER IS WEEPING TEARS AND BLOOD? MANY OF HER BELOVED SONS IN THE PRIESTHOOD ARE GIVING SCANDAL BY PREACHING APOSTASY AND LEADING OTHERS INTO GRAVE SIN.PLEASE HELP US MOTHER MARY.HIDE US IN YOUR BEAUTIFUL IMMACULATE HEART.PLEASE CHILDREN OF GOD PRAY EVERYDAY FOR PRIEST.
Published by: Jacques DUMON
Cassis / France 04/21/2006 11:40 AM EST
This would be a good deed to send this arrogant prelate Maria Simma's book "Let us get out of here". He will see what this holy woman was showed on how are punished the disobedient clerics in Purgatory, not speaking of those who go straight to Hell (and certainly they are a number in).
I recommend this book. It makes you more humble.
Published by: Dr. Mel Hecker
Conway, South Carolina 04/21/2006 11:28 AM EST
As an Emergency medicine physician, I am constantly challanged to prescribe abortifacient medications.
Up until now, I have successfuly articulated my opposition to administering these humanicidal drugs by appealing to reason; all human life begins at conception. This prelates' opinion seriously undercuts my position and puts me at risk for future litigation if his erroneous opinions are quoted by litigants. A swift public repudiation of Cardinal Martini's opinions must be made to correct his denial of natural law and Church doctrine, in order to avoid grave scandal.
Published by: Shirley Heschl
Calgary, AB. Canada 04/21/2006 11:23 AM EST
The smoke of Satan is truly in our Church now, as the 'princes' of the church promote heresy. Maybe there should be a 'refresher' course for the priests, bishops and cardinals of the church to remind them of the true faith, they are supposed to defend. Pray for this man. He has much to answer for.
Published by: Paul Rinderle
Fairfax Va. 04/21/2006 11:22 AM EST
"Abortion is advocated only by persons who have themselves been born."
Ronald Reagan 40th president of US (1911 - 2004
Published by: Esteban
Costa Rica 04/21/2006 11:20 AM EST
To Kathleen Mylott
New York, New York, USA, for us catholics this issue is already "defined" by Pope John Paul II, in his encyclical Evangelium Vitae. This opinion of Cardinal Martini, puts in practically "outside" of the Catholic Church, in other words he not only is preaching heressy, but is falling into the grave sin of apostasy. In practical terms he is excomunicating himself. And regarding the question by Elizabeth Clayton, North Carolina USA, I do believe that the Code of Cannon Law forsees penalties being imposed to bad clerics, in which one of the penalties is the removing of the red hat. The Pope should severely discipline this man, who has put himself outside of the communion of the Catholic Church and is bringing confussion into the Church. But I am sure that there must italian political interests behind Martini, specially now that Italy has a secularist government, like the secularist government of Spain.
Published by: Marty Dancy
Lakewood, CO USA 04/21/2006 11:03 AM EST
This greatest weakness in the church today is the fact that heretics are not excommunicated or silenced.Any person who disagrees with any basic teaching of the church is not really Catholic anymore even though he is a cleric.
However, Martini is no worse than Bishop Gumbleton who supports gay rights and yet wants everyone to come out and sue the church even though there is no real proof that something really happened on sexual abuse. Liberal bishops and priests are the devil's friends in destroying the faith of millions.
Published by: Father Benedict
USA 04/21/2006 10:58 AM EST
The Magisterium is worthless if it fails to respect human beings.
The Bible trumps the Magisterium and the Gospel is more valid that the other Biblical books. Jesus never said a word about conception, abortion, euthanasia or homosexuality. Why should religion and church leaders even deal with those issues then? Especially when they are not medical or scientific experts?
Published by: Jean-Paul Laniel
Pierrefonds, Quebec, Canada 04/21/2006 10:51 AM EST
I think this cardinal has had too many martinis.
Published by: Elizabeth Clarke
Woodstock, GA 30188 04/21/2006 10:18 AM EST
This is exactly the kind of thing that confuses EVERYONE...mostly, Catholics themselves. He is a leader in the Church, and his job is to give the church's teaching. At his ordination, he gave himself entirely over to God...he no longer belongs to himself, and has no business professing personal views. When he speaks, people hear or see it as in the Church speaking. He obviously does not believe all that the Holy Catholic Church believes and teaches, and by the fact that he recites the Creed...either Creed, could make him appear dishonest...On Sunday, he professes one thing, and as soon as he leaves the sanctuary...he professes another to the world. Gee, great example for the faithful...whether the world/those who hear/read it consciously acknowledge it or not, the mind understands the conflict If he is not faithful and obedient...why should they/we. Not exactly seen as living his vocation or being in Obedience to Christ, the Church, or true to his own Vocation/promises.
Published by: Kathleen Mylott
New York, New York, USA 04/21/2006 10:10 AM EST
Unfortunately, I think that many Catholic prelates share this Cardinal's views. Shockingly, our own Cardinal Archbishop Egan announced a few years ago, in a public forum, that we really couldn't know whether a fetus is a human life or not. He is a very holy and learned Cardinal, so it really sent shock waves out among the prolife community, and major disappointment. He often uses the analogy of a moving bush or something like that to question whether a hunter should shoot at it, i.e., if we're not sure whether a person is there, don't shoot. If even Cardinal Egan is speaking like this, what are the others saying???
Thanks for "listening"
Published by: ann marie dickerson
bardstown ,ky , usa 04/21/2006 10:08 AM EST
this man works for the devil, not GOD. he needs to step down and go back under the rock he sliderd out from under. babies are a human at concepton. no if's and's or buts about it.
Published by: Ted Claesson
Sweden 04/21/2006 09:52 AM EST
This is a scandal; human life begins at conception.Medical science is unanimous.
Published by: Hugh Weston
florida 04/21/2006 09:36 AM EST
Ask Cardinal Martini What is (it)from conception to when he thinks it is alive? He also is committing a Mortal sin if he intentionally etc.,gives scandal by disobedience to the teaching of the Catholic Church? Ref.ASk Fr Corapi at Ewtn?
Published by: Jane Titus
Pgh, PA USA 04/21/2006 09:30 AM EST
What sophistry. Life is one continuum and to break it down into named stages doesn't change essentials. What is conceived if not a new life?
Published by: CATHERINE MASAK
LINDENHURST NY USA 04/21/2006 09:08 AM EST
I AM MOST DISAPPOINTED WITH OUR POPE. A LITTLE BIT OF EVIL TOLERATED NAMELY LIBERAL CARDINALS, BISHOPS, IS ENOUGH TO DESTROY THE CHURCH.
Published by: Ajon
New Haven, CT, USA 04/21/2006 09:06 AM EST
We should pray for Cardinal Martini. We should also thank God for our current pope and the late John Paul II.
Published by: Marie
Lafayette/LA/US 04/21/2006 09:06 AM EST
Very disturbing and sad.
I am appalled. M.
Published by: Elizabeth
Clayton, North Carolina USA 04/21/2006 08:38 AM EST
Is is possible to rip the red hat off this errant 'servant'? He is a heretic. What a scandal!
Published by: SRP
New York 04/21/2006 07:55 AM EST
I'm speechless. Apparently the old man still has a lot to learn.
Published by: M McNamara
Fairfax, VA USA 04/21/2006 07:31 AM EST
Silence this man! He should not be speaking for the Holy Catholic Church!
Published by: Mary Strom
Chicago, IL USA 04/21/2006 07:09 AM EST
If the Cardinal is being accurately quoted concerning life not beginning at conception, then he has just redefined the dogma of the Immaculate Conception.
Published by: Jacques DUMON
France 04/21/2006 06:46 AM EST
The opinion of a single priest (even he is a Cardinal) doesn't matter. Asserting such an opinion without any concertation with the Church's Magisterium will lead to more confusion in Catholic people's minds. According to this opinion, women using sterilets or aborting pills are leaded to think they are not in sin although the Church teaches the contrary. If life doesn't begin at conception, when does it begin? 3 seconds, 3 weeks, 3 months after? When aborting is becoming a murder, Mr Martini?
Introducing confusion and relativism into minds certainly is a much greater sin than aborting in ignorance or in distress. Is Cardinal Martini aware of this?
Published by: Friend
Miami 04/20/2006 09:36 PM EST
Among the Cardinals of the Catholic Church, Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini is well known for some "avant-garde" ideas, like this one.
Cardinal Martini is no longer popable, because of his age. We all have to pray for the Church; that we all may be faithful to Christ and His Gospel, which is a "Gospel of Life". Person we are, from conception: body and soul together, from the first cell: ALL THE PERSON IS THERE. That is why we celebrate the IMMACULATE CONCEPTION of Mary! and of course...from OUR LORD! God bless Peter and you all!
Published by: Esteban
Costa Rica 04/20/2006 08:29 PM EST
Thank God that Martini never got a chance of becomming Pope. I am sure that he must sustain more anti-catholic position in many things, like homosexuality, women priest and other catholic issues. What a disgrace to the Church is this jesuit.
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