Medjugorje bishop says Cardinal Schönborn’s visit brings greater suffering to his diocese
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Most Rev. Ratko Perić and Cardinal Christoph Schönborn

.- Most Rev. Ratko Perić, the Bishop of Mostar-Duvno in Bosnia-Herzegovina, released a statement in which he criticizes Vienna, Austria’s Cardinal Christoph Schönborn for making a highly publicized “personal visit” to the region where Mary is said to have been appearing since 1981.

In his statement, released on January 2, Bishop Perić noted that it was his “duty, as diocesan bishop, to provide information to the faithful” regarding the nature of the apparitions, the divide they have caused in his diocese and the official position of the Church on the anomaly.

The apparitions have not been officially recognized by the Church.

Perić’s statement explained that due to the ongoing apparitions and the ensuing debate, his diocese now unwillingly hosts a number of “new communities and associations of the faithful who, in disobedience, live at Medjugorje.” These communities, he said, “may become encouraged in their ecclesial disobedience because of the cardinal’s visit.”

The statement also called into question a November 13, 2009 statement from Vienna’s Kath.net claiming that during Schönborn’s visit, “there will also be a meeting with the local bishop and the critics of Medjugorje.” However, the bishop stated, as of the release of the his Jan.2 remarks, the Diocese of Mostar had received no official communication from Schönborn’s office of the cardinal’s intent to visit the parish. This absence of notification, Perić said, displays the lack of a “certain ecclesial courtesy” among prelates who are want to inform their brother bishops when one is about to visit the other’s diocese.

The bishop concluded that Schönborn’s visit, especially his actions and statements, “have added to the current suffering of the local church.”

Bishop Perić’s complete statement is as follows:

On the occasion of the visit of Cardinal Schönborn to Medjugorje

Since the media have announced, and been present during the visit and the public presence of Cardinal Christoph Schönborn, Archbishop of Vienna, to Medjugorje, which has thus sparked a wrong impression that the Cardinal, by his presence, has recognized the authenticity of the “apparitions” of Medjugorje, I regard it to be my duty, as diocesan bishop, to provide some information to the faithful, noting that I have already sent a personal letter of similar content to the cardinal.

1.      Before we begin, some media have propagated the news story that, on Sept. 15, 2009, at the Cathedral of St. Stephen in Vienna a meeting took place, at which his eminence Cardinal Schönborn was present and during which Marija Pavlovíc-Lunetti, the daily “visionary” who has allegedly witnessed the daily “apparitions” of June 1981, spoke of how the “apparitions had influenced the changing of her life. On that occasion, the Cardinal, responded in a speech: “ It is a great gift that the Mother of God wants to be so close to her children! She has demonstrated this in so many places in the world. And she has been demonstrating this in a very special manner at Medjugorje for years and years.”

2.      Then, on Nov. 13, 2009, Kath.net of Vienna announced: “The Archbishop of Vienna will visit the well-known Marian shrine at the end of the year, including the parish and the Cenacle Community. There will also be a meeting with the local bishop and the critics of Medjugorje.” The curia of this diocese was not informed by the office of the archbishop nor by the Medjugorje parish office of the Cardinal’s visit.

3.      On Nov 16, 2009,the Catholic News Agency published the news story: “Cardinal Christoph Schönborn will visit Medjugorje, the small town in Bosnia-Herzegovina where six young people have allegedly been witnesses of apparitions from the Virgin Mary. But according to the Archdiocese of Vienna, the trip is 'completely private' and does not imply a statement from the cardinal on the veracity of the apparitions. It was supposed to be a completely private visit, it was not supposed to go out to the Internet,' said Fr. Johannes Fürnkranz, personal secretary to the Archbishop of Vienna.”

4.      On December 29, 2009, Cardinal Schönborn arrived in Medjugorje. The media accompanied him the next day and on others as well. According to the news, he delivered a speech at the church of St. James the Apostle that highlighted the mercy of God the Father. In that speech, he said: “Who could put these things in motion? Who could invent them? A man? No, this is not the work of a human being.”

On December 31, 2009, journalists transmitted: “While some were expecting that the Cardinal’s visit to Medjugorje would be private, he has nevertheless surprised the locals by being very visible. He has spent time celebrating Mass at the Church of St. James the Apostle, walking up the hill where the apparitions occur with the visionary Marija Lunetti, praying in the silence of Adoration, and perhaps the most significant thing, delivering a speech at the parish church in the company of the Franciscans.”

5.      In all of this, I have to admit that, as diocesan bishop of the Diocese of Mostar-Duvno, I have remained very surprised. I understand that a cardinal of the Holy Roman Church enjoys the faculty to confess and preach the gospel in all the Catholic Church. But when it comes to public appearances outside of his own diocese, there is, among us bishops, a certain ecclesial courtesy: the bishop or the cardinal who is planning on coming to another diocese and appearing publicly, announces himself to the local bishop first, something suggested by ecclesial prudence. I believe that such ecclesial prudence, and such a rule, deserved to be applied especially in this case.

6.      I am surprised that the office of Cardinal Schönborn has not, to the day of the publication of this statement, contacted us. I suppose that the Cardinal is aware of the Church’s position regarding Medjugorje, a position based on the investigations and conclusions according to which it is not possible to say, “The apparitions or revelations are supernatural.” His visit to the Cenacle Community, that is to say, to Sister Elvira, who obiter dicendo, as a religious does not have the permission to live or work in this diocesan territory, could be interpreted as a support for her. It can not only be interpreted as support to her, but also to the conspicuous number of new communities and associations of the faithful who live in Medjugorje in disobedience, and may read an encouragement to their ecclesial disobedience into the Cardinal’s visit.

7.      As bishop of the diocese, I will highlight and repeat some painful facts:

·         First of all, I highlight the painful “Herzegonvinian case” of the parishes which are linked to the “Medjugorje phenomenon:” from the beginning, some Franciscans, who were then in disobedience, have decisively taken the side of the figure of Medjugorje, accusing the then-diocesan bishop of causing the local crisis. One of them has since left the order and the priesthood.

·         In the territory of the diocese, we now have nine ex-Franciscans who were dismissed by the superiors of the Order of Friars Minor. The Holy See has confirmed such their dismissal. Despite being suspended a divinis, they operate in the usurped parishes as legal priests. While the alleged figure of Medjugorje responds to the most frivolous questions of the curious, we have never heard a word against the grave abuses that are damaging the unity of this local church.

·         We have had a tragic experience in 2001: A few Franciscans, some of whom had already been dismissed by their order, and some others who had not yet been dismissed, invited an “old-Catholic” (a small European schismatic community) deacon who introduced himself as an “archbishop” who “confirmed” more than 700 young people in the usurped parishes. All of this occurred invalidly and sacrilegiously. He also celebrated the Mass invalidly as a deacon in some parishes. The apparition of Medjugorje doesn’t even mention this abuse of the Sacrament of the Holy Spirit and the Holy Eucharist!

·         We have also had another sad episode: Two of these priests have gone to an “old-Catholic” bishop in Switzerland requesting to be ordained bishops and to separate themselves from Mostar and from Rome in order to create a formal schism. This is something the “old-Catholic” bishop has declined to do.

·         We also have had problems with the presence of two particularly charismatic promoters of the “Medjugorje phenomenon.” One of who is the profoundly disobedient Tomislav Vlašić, who was dismissed from the Franciscans last year, and who the Holy See has relieved, upon his own request, from any priestly duty or responsibility. The other is Brother Jozo Zovko, who has been deprived from any priestly duty in the territory of this diocese since 2004, and who, according to news stories, has been pulled out of the territory of Herzegovina by his religious superiors and has been forbade from any contact with Medjugorje.

8.      The Cardinal remained enthusiastic about the many confessions heard at Medjugorje where the Father’s mercy was expressed. We believe that the mercy of the Heavenly Father is equally expressed in Medjugorje as in any other parish of our diocese, before or after the Medjugorje phenomenon. Just take a look at the long lines of faithful in front of the confessionals in all of our parishes, especially before Christmas, Easter, liturgical feasts, or confirmations. Many claim that the confessions at Medjugorje are a strong proof that our Lady “appears.” According to such conclusions regarding to the numerous confessions, our Lady would appear in all of our parishes, and not only to those three persons to which she appears once a year at Medjugorje and the other three to whom she appears every day, both inside and outside of Medjugorje, and even at the Vienna cathedral, as they say. In total, up to now, some 40,000 “apparitions!” Moreover, we have the impression that some of the “visionaries” decide where and when Our Lady will “appear,” since she appears where and when they want. Isn’t this an unacceptable manipulation of Our Lady, and of the sacred in general?

As diocesan bishop, I wish to inform the faithful with this statement that the visit of Cardinal Christoph Schönborn does not imply any recognition of the “apparitions” related to Medjugorje, I am saddened by the fact that the Cardinal, with his visit, presence, and statements, has contributed to the current suffering of the local church, and even added to it, which does not contribute to the much needed peace and unity.

Ratko Perić, bishop

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Subscriber comments:
Published by: Jacobitess
Warszawa, Poland 01/22/2010 03:43 AM EST
It's time for the Vatican to formally denounce Medjugorje when a Cardinal of the Church so recklessly endangers the Faith of many by endorsing such a fraudulent hoax. The Vatican has of course backed the Bishop, but now it's time for the Pope to step forward.
Published by: Giovanni
MN 01/16/2010 11:32 PM EST
I am very glad for all those who have come back to the Faith or discovered a deeper Faith because of their going to Medjugorje. But there are many others that have come back to the Faith in places like prison, or after some traumatic event in their life. As others have said the fruits that have resulted are not dependent upon Our Lady appearing there. What I find very disturbing and a big red flag to the authenticity of these alledged appartions is the attitude that if I don't accept these apparitions as true then God or Jesus or Mary are going to be displeased with me or I'm "gambling with my soul." In response to Anne's comment: Isn't that what the Bishop should do, remember Lourdes, and how the Bishops initially denied the apparitions? There have been so many conversions that out weigh the disobedience. What the Bishop of Lourdes did was to investigate the alledged apparition. When he received a full report he agreed to their authenticity. That is very different than the situation here and the fact so many people continue to compare the two in such a way is either ignorant or malicious. Further the most damning statement is that disobedience is okay if it results in conversions. There is so much wrong with that statement. It was disobedience that caused the fall of Satan, it was disobedience that caused the fall of Adam and Eve, and it is the disobedience of so many others that will cause their fall.
Published by: Jeff
New York 01/16/2010 08:27 AM EST
Ouch.
Published by: LeonG
Brunei 01/15/2010 06:56 PM EST
In order to find God or to go to Confession, we do not need to go to controversial and sensationalist lieus associated with rebellion against the proper ecclesiastical authority and priests who do not fulfill their functions licitly. There is not one objective argument favouring Medjugorie by its proponents on this webpage. Moreover, Bernadette Soubirous, Sister Lucy and Padre Pio offer us the perfect example of those who have had authentic supernatural experiences. They obeyed the authority of the church in bringing to Christendom the fruits of them. Those who claim they have been and believe it is true have no objective proof of this but their own emotional susceptibilities to draw on. God is truly present everywhere.
Published by: LeonG
Brunei 01/15/2010 06:22 PM EST
Those who disobey The Church over Medjugorie cannot countermand the authority of the bishops concerned - there are no apparitions and of The Church which states "non constat de supernaturalitater". Also, one of the rebel franciscan priests who was an early protagonist for all of this "nonsensus noncatholicus", has been defrocked. The visionaries now into 44000 "apparitions" are completely out of control. Anyone who follows this charade is gullible beyond belief. Thank God my Faith , the Faith of millions throughout the last two thousand years does not depend on apparitions, alleged or otherwise. It is characteristic of this age of "itching ears" and systemic disobedience that a group of misled individuals including rebel priests have perpetrated the greatest fraud on The Church in history. It is time The Vatican called a halt to it but is there any common sense remaining in this post-conciliar period to do what has to be done?
Published by: Patrick B.
San Diego, CA USA 01/15/2010 04:03 PM EST
“I can only say that the statements on Medjugorje that have been attributed to the Holy Father (John Paul II) and to me have been made up out of thin air.” –Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (now Pope Benedict XVI), interview in Der Speigel magazine, July 22, 1998. “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father but through me” - Our Lord Jesus Christ, (Jn 14:6). "All religions are dear to my son and to me." - The alleged "Gospa" and the promoters of Medjugorje (pg. 119, The Visions of the Children, Janice Connell). Now, who is telling the truth??? I'm siding with Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and His vicar on earth, Pope Benedict XVI. The question for those who believe in the alleged visions of Medjugorje is - Who do YOU believe?!?
Published by: Tom Canning
Agassiz B.C. Canada 01/15/2010 12:42 PM EST
The book - "15 years after Medjegorje" by Michael Davies - whose wife was from that area will help dispel that nonsense going on there....
Published by: John Da Costa
Spring Grove PA USA 01/09/2010 09:08 AM EST
I think Bishop Peric is right. Cardinal Schonborn has hosted immoral and blasphemous art exhibits in Vienna recently and he is not a good support for Medjugorie.
Published by: Helio
Belo Horizonte, Minas Gerais, Brazil 01/08/2010 06:33 PM EST
Cardinal Schönborn scandalized the faithful when he permitted highly blasphemous and immoral pictures be presented for several weeks at Viena's Cathedral Museum last year. This is definitely not a hallmark of someone true devoted to Our Lady and helps to understand what is subjacent to his visit to Medjugorje.
Published by: Antonio M
Italia 01/08/2010 03:01 PM EST
The effect on the Church is as if Peter had sent Paul to Medj. Cardinal Schönborn's homily is going on the air right now in Italy. The big Rai broadcast network runs one or two 90 minute programs every month with live links to Medjugorje. Soon God will end this discussion with a visible landmark. The vatican is the only authority when regular apparitions are going on with Marija in Italy and Ivan in the USA. This is Our Lady's biggest and final mission. Light and Joy to all!
Published by: Michelle White
Leominster, MA USA 01/08/2010 02:01 PM EST
The church does not approve or disapprove of Medugorje - It is an active investigation. I have been there twice. It is real !!! I go to church everyday, I try to fast and go to confession frequently, I pray as much as I can - Read and learn! It your soul you are gambling with! Go to the Vatican website for the official position. Google Wayne Weible - Stop judging others and just Pray, Pray, Pray!!!
Published by: Terry
USA 01/06/2010 04:58 PM EST
I must agree. The Cardinal does the Church no favor by undermining the authority of the local bishop. One thing has always been true. The saints are obedient to the Magisterium of the Church. Even though the Magisterium is not always right in all matters. Remember that the Magisterium is only infallible in matters of Faith and Morals, but the a Catholic is bound to obey in all cases, even when the Magisterium is wrong. THis is the great tragedy of our time, that Catholics think they get to pick and choose.
Published by: Barb
Indiana 01/06/2010 02:47 PM EST
The "fruits" are rotten when they come with disobedience to lawful authority. The Cardinal should be ashamed of himself for this blatant attempt to usurp the authority of the Bishop of Mostar in this matter.
Published by: mike
South Bend 01/06/2010 01:21 PM EST
Please read the book "Medjugorje and the Church" by Denis Nolan. It clears up all of this jibber jabber. It contains scans of the letters from the CDF, Pope John Paul II, Mother Theresa, etc. on Medjugorje. I see many mis-representations of the Church's position on Medjugorje in the comments here. "Medjugorje and the Church" clears all of this up with the actual documents, and gives a panoramic account of the Church's response throughout the world.
Published by: Dino
Croatia 01/06/2010 12:31 PM EST
For us Croatin catholics this is a very importatnt and serious thing. Great attention is needed because if not the phenomen of Medjugorje will be destroyed. The conditions in Bosnia are very hard and a hasty decision could lead to conflicts. There is also the problem of fake "prophets" (I don't know the right word for these persons) who already appeared. We in Croatia and our brothers in Herzegovina are doing our best to solve the situation and question of Medjugorje in a good way but of course we need your prayers to succeed.
Published by: Stephen
U.S.A. 01/06/2010 11:26 AM EST
At the Cardinal's coming, Bishop Peric "was surprised"...there are many more surprises to come. All will be well. Our Lady appears there.
Published by: John
Chicago 01/06/2010 11:21 AM EST
Faith- Faith is extremely important in everything that happens to the nature of the supernatural. Many of you are right that the Catholic Church does not approve of the apparitions at Medjugorje. But do any of you know why they don't approve of them yet??? First, the church has never approved anything until the apparitions have stopped. They have not stopped in Medjugorje yet. Second, the church does not say that you can't go or can't believe in the apparitions. Like Jesus said, "you will know a tree by it's fruit." People are converting and confessing in thousands there a week, practicing the catholic faith, recieving the sacraments, praying the rosary,reading the scriptures, and adoring Jesus Christ in the Eucharist. This message is very powerful from Our Lady and to believe you must have a firm faith. Please pray everyday listen to Our Lady's call back to her Son. God Bless
Published by: susan
mchenry 01/06/2010 10:17 AM EST
People you are so worldly minded you are all living in fluff fluff land. Believing in Medj means you are against the Catholic Church. You can't have it both ways. This is a joke on those that are rebels of the Church. Mary would NEVER come in this way she doesn't divide her Church she unites it. Create an atmosphere of mistrust with Christs Church and the flock run amok. Its nuts that ANY Catholic would fall for this but they are in droves. I notice many non-Catholics love this place.,,,,should tell you something. Protest and Protest the authority of the Church --- and what do you have. Nothing. Zip. And all in the face of using the Fatima Tools against the Church. Anyone who believes this is going to be very sad if they take this rebellion to the other side.
Published by: Yvonne Edwards-Widmer
Switzerland 01/06/2010 08:58 AM EST
As a catholic who turned back to the Church with the help of evangelic pentecostal christians I confess, that if Medjugorje did not exist, I would be now an evangelic christian. I agree in the question of obedience to the Magisterium, but first comes obedience to God. God can do whatever He pleases, and the way He pleases. In the Scriptures, God manifested himself in many ways to the prophets and the disciples. God is the same now as He has always been. The human being has not changed in essence, inspite all the advances in technology and knowledge. Bishop Peric, you can see that the world nowadays is in apostasy and self-destruction. Isn't there an overweight of sin in the world? Don't you think that the Day of Judgement is near? If God reveals himself through our Blessed Mother, then it must be a manifestation of His mercy. God bless you.
Published by: Mary
Atlanta,MI-USA 01/06/2010 08:28 AM EST
perhaps it would be prudent for the Church to remember that it is Christ who heads it, not the other way around. Refusing to allow the "faithful" (which by definition alone is testament to the truth of the apparitions)to believe falls horrifingly close to the sins of the SanHendrin in Christs day. Although the purpose of the Church is to be earthly "shepherds" of His flock, we are in fact HIS flock and He does not need to fall within the understanding of mankind to bring us closer to Him. The evil nature of man is to question everything mandating that it is not if he cannot understand or "prove" it. Our Lord stated himself when accused of being driven by evil, that a house divided against itself cannot stand. If we merely look at the messages and the results of the messages, enacting in fact true obedience to the Gospels, we are to judge by the fruits. The fruits of our Blessed Lady are profound as she in fact is Blessed by God and continues to bring us closer to her Son. There is a danger in straying from His teachings and I pray w/love, humility, gratitude and thanks that His Will continues to be accomplished regardless of the wickedness of man to cause us to stumble on that "narrow path". We must pray as well for His Church always while remembering it is Christ who heads the Church, not the Church who governs Christ!
Published by: Jackie
USA 01/06/2010 12:11 AM EST
All the recognized apparitions have supported the authority of the Church. In St. Faustina's Diary she says the Lord told her to be obedient to her superiors even if they contradict what He has asked her to do. The example of obedience was illustrated perfectly by St. (Padre) Pio. To go against the Church, in this case, the local Bishop who has jurisdiction, is to do Satan's work of dividing and weakening Church authority. How can some of you insist on your own opinions instead of humbly obeying the Church? Mary would NEVER allow anyone to disobey the Church.
Published by: Richard
Boston/MA/US 01/05/2010 11:26 PM EST
Since naive foreign priests have kept this phony phenomenon alive, Bp. Peric -- a courageous shepherd -- has to confront them. And CDF is supporting Bishop Peric more clearly now. They have urged other bishops to read his directives and even republish them. For example, the bishops of Tuscany published Bp. Peric's 2006 directives at the request of CDF then-Secretary Abp. Amato. For example: Foreign priests are not allowed to give conference talks in Medjugorje, and are not allowed to speak contrary to the diocesan position.
Published by: Constance
CT/USA 01/05/2010 10:31 PM EST
I didn't know these problems existed. I have gone to Medjugorge two times and I have seen the large concrete cross on the mountain light up three times in a row after She came while thousands of us said a rosary. I believe in obedience, but I truly believe these are authentic. The magesterium will not rule on this until it is over. She promises us signs. I believe She is readying us for something very important. Our Lady has said this will be the last time She comes. This is why she has been coming so long. She wants to lead as many as possible toward Her Son. She is doing a good job as I have heard of so many conversions. In the meantime, we should listen to the Bishop because that is the type of obedience St. Padre Pio did even when the authorities were wrong. Pray for all involved! Peace be with you!
Published by: Diane
Michigan 01/05/2010 10:19 PM EST
Rev Niel Buchlein says: " would have to imagine that Satan is quite content with all the negativity that has been in the press lately regarding the visit of the Cardinal and what Bishop Peric has been saying"......Dear Father - Satan is content alright - he is content with people who attach themselves so deeply to apparitions which are not fully approved. when the local bishop publishes valid and objective criticisms of specific events involved, Satan is all the more happy when people speak out against the bishop for his position. Cardinal Schonborn created a diplomatic mess by stepping on the toes of a diocesan bishop in good standing with the Holy See. Even Fr. Raniero Cantalamessa - Papal Household Preacher humbly submitted to Bishop Peric when he learned the necessary permission was not obtained. By that submission, Fr. Cantalamessa not only proved his humility, but acknowledged the authority of Bishop Peric. Cardinal Schonborn confused matters and led many to believe in authenticity even if he didn't intend to do so. The funny thing is that the 1991 Zadar Declaration, and the communications by +Bertone said pilgrimages made privately could not be an authentication of events. Yet, Cardinal Schonborn later spoke about the sensus fidelium, which is precisely attempting to tie the masses of private pilgrims to authenticity.
Published by: Bob
Queens, NY 01/05/2010 10:16 PM EST
In today's Gospel, Nathaniel asks, "What good can come from Nazareth?" and the answer comes back from Philip, "Come and see." I recommend to anyone, including the good bishop, to come to Medjugorje and see.
Published by: Dan
USA 01/05/2010 09:19 PM EST
Let us remember a few things here. 1) The Church always waits until the end of the apparitions before she makes a decision. That is why the decision is so long in coming. 2) The length of time and volume of apparitions has no bearing on the decision. There are many saints who received apparitions and visions for much, much longer than Medjugorje has been going. St. Bridget at visions for nearly 60 years! 3) While official pilgrimages are banned, private ones are not. Vatican spokesman Joachin-Navarros once said, "You cannot tell people they cannot go until the apparitions have been proven false." 4) The Archbishop Bertone has told us that Bishop Peric's opinion of Medjugorje is strictly that, his opinion. As of now, it is not the final say on these apparitions.
Published by: steve calascione
woodbury,ny,11797 01/05/2010 08:08 PM EST
The Bishop is right to be insulted,by the Cardinal's snub. Whether you agree or disagree with with their positions on Medjugorje,that does not excuse the Cardinals behavior.
Published by: Bianca
USA 01/05/2010 06:33 PM EST
Yes, I was disheartened as well at CNA's reporting. Medjugorje is real, Our Lady has come to tell the world that "God exists"..one of her first messages..She is asking fo peace, prayer (daily Mass and the Rosary) fasting (bread and water on Wed. and Fri),a firm and strong faith and conversion. What tools are these? To defeat Satan. Live the messages, they are not anything new! Our Lady comes in humility and love, according to the Will of the Father.
Published by: bill
Butler, Pa USA 01/05/2010 05:17 PM EST
Think about it--if your Bishop in your Diocese told you not to visit an alledged "visionary site", would you obey him? Or would you disobey him and say your are waiting for the Pope to rule on it's authenticity? I hope we all would obey the Bishop, whose responsibility it is to shepherd his diocese, but it seems everything goes out the window when it comes to Medjugorge.
Published by: Kenneth M. Fisher
Anaheim, CA, USA 01/05/2010 05:10 PM EST
Unless he is overidden by the Magisterium, a local Ordinary has the final say on all alleged apparitions. St. Padre Pio would never condone such disobedience. Pray for the Cardinal who is also very hostile to the Pro-Live movement.
Published by: ksvc01
Canada 01/05/2010 04:55 PM EST
As long as the apparitions are lasting, the Church has never made a stand on authenticity. Bishop Peric doesn't believe in any one apparition of Mary . He's never even visited Medjugorje, how can he say a definite no answer on it? That Cardinal Schonborn visited and made positive statements about it, because of the positive fruits it brought to Austria, and other places, was a very good action on his part. Like in the past, the Holy See awaits for these apparitions to end first and see the sign Our Lady has promised the world. As for the make-believe scandals he wants everyone to know and keep in mind, they are only vicious lies to try to destroy the reputations of innocent people. The visionary Marja had immediately distanced herself from Tomasliv Vlasic when she was enlightened about the situation and even made very public statements about him. She did the right thing.
Published by: Liam Ronan
Bantry/Cork/Ireland 01/05/2010 04:22 PM EST
Remember Matthew 24:26 "So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the desert,' do not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it."
Published by: john
Ireland 01/05/2010 04:06 PM EST
For anybody in doubt about the authenticity of Medjugorje just view Colleen Willard's Miracle Testimonial
Published by: Rev. Neil Buchlein
Hurricane, WV 01/05/2010 04:05 PM EST
I would have to imagine that Satan is quite content with all the negativity that has been in the press lately regarding the visit of the Cardinal and what Bishop Peric has been saying. Having traveled there many times, stayed and spoken with the visionaries, presided at Masses and con-celebrated Masses, heard confessions, I cannot see only but good coming out of Medjugorje. One does not have to believe in the past apparitions of the Blessed Mother so why is there such arguing about what is happening now? Open your heart and mind and deepen your relationship with Christ. The Blessed Mother keeps urging humanity to make itself right with God and keeps pointing to her Son and not to herself. There are those who will always think negatively and that is okay. I'm happy to be in agreement with JPII, Cardinal Schonborn, and a list of others too long to note.
Published by: Veronica
Florida, USA 01/05/2010 03:14 PM EST
I agree with Bishop Peri. Medjugorge is not approved by the Church yet. If I could, I rather go to Lourdes or Fatima. There are 1000 of apparition sites to go! Want to see an appartion? go to Mass.
Published by: lh
McKinney, TX, USA 01/05/2010 03:02 PM EST
Disobedience is not from God. In every apparition of Our Lady she has been obedient to what the bishop requires/recommends.
Published by: Jair
Cypress/TX/USA 01/05/2010 02:13 PM EST
Brothers and Sisters in Christ, t is very important to have a very god understanding of what a private and public revelation means. Also it is quite important not to judge, criticize (James 4,12), or condemn but to love (Jn 15,12) , Bear one another's burdens (Gal 6,2). St. Augustine said: I would not believe in the Gospel myself if the authority of the Catholic Church did not influence me to do so (letter of Mani 397 AD). Padre Pio, St. Francis of Assisi obeyed Church at all cost even to themselves. We need to pray for Church Unity, not to start giving opinions of what we think should be done; true, we are not robots and we need to communicate our thoughts, specially if we firmly believe they are good and to build (not to destroy). Let's all pray for all Bishops, the Pope BXVI, and have faith, believe and obey the Magisterium (Mt. 16,18-19;18,18). We love, obey and praise God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) through HIS Church (Mt. 16, 18), and if Church tells us to wait, we wait then (gal 1, 8-9), and pray, constant prayer (1Tes 5,17). Thank you for your time (to read this) and I just end asking from me and from you what Jesus and all Saints have said: Love, Charity. your brother in Christ Jair Hab 3,17-18 Joshua 24,15e John 6,68
Published by: Jack
NY 01/05/2010 01:44 PM EST
Nancy from Parkland, FL, is absolutely right. For Steve from Malta and Anne Philadelphia. I know that the Pope had said that, however, did he say that before the massive disobedience was rampant that is well-known right now? Anne, the Pope would be right in taken that position being there was no official decree regarding Medjugorje. We mustn't emphacize such actions that have been made in a time prior to approval or condemnation by the Holy See. Also, it didn't take the Bishops almost 30 years to accept Lourdes as a worthy apparation to give credence towards. Medjugorje is the only alledged apparation that has taken so long, to my knowledge. There is said to be "good fruits" that have come from there and that may be true. The Church doesn't only consider that item in approving an alledged appaartion. There has been no proof of supernatural phenomena there. That is why the Bishop has his position. There has been a tremendous amount of strife and discord as well amongst people the world over regarding Medjugorje. The Church moves slow because She wants to make sure that such things are true and authentic. Whatever the decision is, I will obediently acknowledge. It's always safe to be on the Church's side because She is always right and has the wisdom, prudence, and knowledge from the Holy Spirit in determining such things. Whatever the outcome will be, just be faithful to Christ and the Church. Have a loving devotion to Mary that is in accord with the Church!
Published by: Nancy
Parkland, FL, USA 01/05/2010 12:51 PM EST
I think we should all follow Pope John Paul II's advice and pray for Medjugorje. Church division described by the Bishop in this article is not good fruit. Disobedience, anger and division are the calling cards of Satan not the Blessed Mother. Perhaps it is possible that Medjugorje is a distraction from valid pilgrimage sites like Lourdes, Fatima and Gualalupe. In those apparitions we were given a simple message, not 40,000 and then some. May God bless Bishop Peric, and all of the Church with knowledge of his will regarding Medjugorje and protect the Church there from schism.
Published by: with-a-z
detroit 01/05/2010 12:43 PM EST
The fact remains - Medjugorje is NOT approved by the Church. And until/unless that happens it is not responsible for any news agency to report on only one aspect of the situation. I think CNA is being as non-biased as they can given this very hot topic. Until I hear from the Holy Catholic Church that I am free to accept absolutely everything going on in Medjugorje as true and authentic, I will sit and wait and not pass judgment one way or the other. To do otherwise is to belong to "the church of me" - and that's not what Catholics are about. Especially this one.
Published by: Anne
Philadelphia, PA 01/05/2010 10:56 AM EST
John Paul II did not condem Medjugorje, he did not condem the visionaries. He actually said let's pray for Medjugorje. Isn't that what the Bishop should do, remember Lourdes, and how the Bishops initially denied the apparitions? There have been so many conversions that out weigh the disobedience.
Published by: charles
Medjugorje/Herzégovina/BiH 01/05/2010 10:49 AM EST
For those who are interesting by the posiition of Cardinal Shönborn, please go to the official web page of the parish of Medjugorje. In my opinion his position is very clear and in accordance with the position of the CHURCH. Following a part of an interview he gave while he was in Medjugorje. “Supreme authority in the Church is Holy See, Holy Father and his Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and that is the highest authority in all of the issues of faith and morality. Supreme authority of the Church gave us clear guidelines, not directly from Holy Father himself, but from Congregation on the Doctrine of the Faith that had clearly confirmed what once bishops from Yugoslavia said, and that doubtlessly is applicable in Medjugorje. I have always repeated that, those texts are very much known, there are three elements that are valid still today, and I can place my visit to Medjugorje within those guidelines. In that sense, my visit is not something that is unusual at all. Holy See, in accordance with the Statement of Bishops from 1991, says the following: ...."
Published by: Steve
Malta 01/05/2010 10:43 AM EST
In a private conversation with the visionary Mirjana Soldo, Pope John Paul 2 said: "If I were not pope I would already be in Medjugorje confessing."(1987)
Published by: Mike
Canada 01/05/2010 10:27 AM EST
This issue is highly political. While my family has come back to the church through Medjugorje, we are very aware of the special circumstances there. First, it is a Croatian town, a Catholic town, in a Muslim state. The Yugolsav civil war was based on ethnic and religious themes. There were problems with dissident priests prior to the apparitions. Also, this was a communist and athiestic society at the start of the apparitions. The bishop - even though his commentary verges on the overly emotional - is in a difficult spot. Hopefully the phenomenon of Medjugorje will be examined from the spiritual and Catholic perspective rather than the political.
Published by: Lucas Iohannes
CROATIA 01/05/2010 09:43 AM EST
My full support to bishop Perić! For the last 28 years the franciscan parishes near Medjugorje had shown unforgivable inobedience to the authority of Church and the Holy See. From the theological point of view, it is highly unpossible that Our Lady reveals Her messages tree times a day (which totals more than 40.000 messages until now). Nevertheless, the "seers" state that that is the very case. The instructions from Vatican were clear: "Keep quite until the investigation is over." That advice was roughly ignored. If you are a Catholic, you must know that the Church knows better than you. If you cannot stay obedient to the Holy Father, you don't belong in the Church. I hope that Vatican will soon be over with the preparation of "document about Medjugorje", by cardinal Bertone.
Published by: Bruce
Colorado Springs/CO/USA 01/05/2010 09:30 AM EST
Cardinal Schonborn openly allows dissent and rebellion in his Austrian dioceses. In my opinion, he, and his fellow Austrian dissidents below him, are most likely going to be removed from their vocations within the next few years. This type of behavior exhibited by the cardinal is unfortunately damaging to the Church.
Published by: Jack
NY 01/05/2010 09:13 AM EST
If it is true, fine. If it isn't, fine. What matters is what the Church believes and teaches. That is what we all are required to believe an toc accept. Private revelations are not obligatory. The Church has already given credence to Marian apparations Lourdes, Fatima, and some others. From my persepctive, people are too obsessed and tend to get very defensive regarding Medjugorje. It's as if it's a following unto itself. The deposit of the faith is enough. What Holy Scripture and Sacred Tradition, i.e.: Divine Revelation teach, are authentic and what we are required to accept.
Published by: Andy
Arlington, VA 01/05/2010 08:14 AM EST
Although good fruits can possibly signal authenticity, good fruits by themselves do nothing to conclusively prove that Medjugorje is authentic. Only the Magisterium can do that. Whether the visions are authentic or not, God draws straight with crooked lines and those who seek him will find him in some way. When Bishop Peric talks, that is the Magisterium talking and it would be best to respect his authority. Until a definitive declaration is made by the Magisterium, caution would be the best approach.
Published by: A Priest
USA 01/05/2010 05:49 AM EST
CNA has always been against Medugorje. Spreading lies about the current stand of Rome and acting like the secular media. Does CNA think they have the authority to condemn or approve of Medugorje?
Published by: Mr. Martin Savage
Glasgow, UK 01/05/2010 04:10 AM EST
A number of years ago, a friend said to me regarding Medjugorje, “Why follow something the Church has yet to endorse and, in fact, has forbidden ‘official’ pilgrimages to?” I replied, “But, perhaps it is really happening. Besides, what could be the problem if the message is not bad?” My friend’s response changed forever my view of Medjugorje: “The main problem with Medjugorje is that, by not paying heed to the Church’s ban on both ‘official’ pilgrimages and promotion of Medjugorje, enthusiastic followers are breeding a spirit of disobedience in the Church. Unchecked disobedience always leads to schism or to heresy.” “Did you know Padre Pio was once banned by the Church from ministering the sacraments?” my friend added, “unjustly, as it turned out.” “No!” I said, “What did he do?” “He never ministered the sacraments.” came the reply. “And we all know how saintly Padre Pio is!” – how right he was. It made me think of Saint Faustina, first saint of the third millennium, who said, "Satan can even clothe himself in a cloak of humility, but he does not know how to wear the cloak of obedience." (Diary, par. 939).
Published by: Dan
Sugar Grove, IL US 01/04/2010 11:23 PM EST
I guess this has become a bit of a showdown and one of them must be either mistaken or misguided at this point. I do not wish to speak negatively about a Priest let alone a Bishop or Cardinal, but there can only be 1 TRUTH. Indecision after 28 years seems more bureaucratic than anything. Long reign the Queen of Peace!!
Published by: Timothy
Knoxville, TN, US 01/04/2010 10:52 PM EST
The Bishop's comments don't serve him or his Diocese as they come across defensive and emotional. The Cardinal's comments in response are quite the opposite.
Published by: pablo
viña del mar 01/04/2010 09:46 PM EST
“have added to the current suffering of the local church.” what? this is non sense Medjugorje has made the croatian catholic faith stronger! fasting- rosary -conversion! what part of that they do not understand!!!!?
Published by: L Diaz
Miami, Fl 33146 01/04/2010 08:52 PM EST
Rate: Regular
It so sad that your reporting is so biased. Why can't you report on the positive fruits that have come from Medjugorje. Before reporting you should check the sources of the Bishop's angry reprisals against those involved in Medjugorje. When there are so many negatives within the church, why can't you report on the positive, instead of reporting stories that bring down the faithful instead of uplifting them.
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