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New British law has potential to force bishops to ordain transsexuals
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.- The bishops of England and Wales are asking for an exemption from new equality laws that could force them to ordain transsexuals as priests or allow them to become nuns. The bishops said proposals to ban “indirect discrimination” against people who have had gender reassignment operations would take away their right to check baptismal and confirmation certificates which would show if candidates for the priesthood, religious life or marriage had a hidden past, reports the London Times. “Many Christians believe, on strongly held religious grounds, that gender is given before birth and cannot be changed,” Archbishop Peter Smith of Cardiff reportedly said. The government plans to change the law so that such records are altered when a person has such an operation. The bishops are asking that the Catholic Church be exempt from such a law. However, the government’s track record on giving the Church exemptions has not been good. Earlier this year, the government refused to give the Church an exemption from its new adoption law which make it illegal to prevent homosexuals from adopting children. (CNA coverage here) Subscriber comments:
Published by: Lisa Johnson
UK 10/25/2009 12:29 PM EST
It shows just how much of a bunch of hypocrites the church really is by trying to block the gender act and not allowing transgendered people to marry. The church is antiquated and out of date and totally out of touch with society. You will never modernise and accept people for who they are yet the church has been responsible for much of the worlds troubles. The church is the cause of many hate crime against people who are diverse, you are no help to people like myself. Perhaps if the transgendered comunity were wealthy and made big donations to the church like many members of society do the church would accept us.
Published by: Jennifer Mattson
USA 10/24/2009 02:58 PM EST
I'm a Christian woman who happens to have been a male to female transsexual. There should not be any legal exemption regarding discrimination for churches. Encourage us to follow Christ, rather than discriminating against us.
No contextual basis in scripture supports the belief that gender cannot be changed. It is not a sin for me to be a woman, and it is I that will give account of my thoughts, choices and actions to God.
If I marry a man without him knowing about my past, there is no possibility that he could be sinning (with regard to my being transsexual) when we consummate our marriage, because his thoughts and intentions would be pure.
Likewise, if I were to become a nun and the church didn't know about my past, the church would also remain pure and undefiled in this because they acted with pure motives in accepting me as a nun.
Whether or not it would be a sin for me or transwomen like myself, when my fiancé and I are married by our priest, by virtue of the fact that the priest doesn't know about my birth gender, he does not sin, nor defile the church by performing our wedding ceremony in the church.
If a transsexual man sought to become a priest and the church was unaware he had been born female, the church would also remain holy and righteous in his ordination.
The church should not seek to identify transsexuals, nor discriminate against us on that basis.
“Love one another” for “love covers a multitude of sins”. John 13:34 / 1Peter 4:8
God bless!
Jennifer
Published by: JodieAnne
New York 07/01/2009 08:23 PM EST
Matthew 19:11-12
Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage[a]because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."
Published by: Shawn
Phoenix, AZ USA 06/12/2009 11:15 PM EST
I am a female to male Transexual who also happens to be Catholic. While I appreciate that Great Britain wishes to have us included in things more, I do not agree with any government forcing the Catholic Church to ordain people like myself. They are a religion and as such are entitled to their beliefs even if some of them are mistaken. By the way, to other posters, People like myself are not perverts. I do not go out and have indiscriminate sex, or any other sordid thing you can picture. I suffer from a genuine medical condition but do well for myself. I work and pay taxes, therefore contributing to this society for better or worse. That said, I believe in separation of Church and State. Thanks anyway, Great Britain, it is enough for me for people like myself to have SECULAR protection from bigoted people who not knowing me, call me names like "pervert", "sicko", and "freak". Where is the Christian Charity? Do not paint homosexual people and Transexual people with the same brush. We are as varied as Heterosexual people.
Published by: Kimbal Hatton
England 10/24/2008 06:40 AM EST
I was born male and am male endocrinologicaly and chromosonally but underwent hormone treatment and 'gender reassignment surgery' in 1984 after living in the feminine role for 3 years. After surgery I lived and worked as a woman for eight years. However I felt ambivalent about my situation and this came to a head when I formed a close friendship with a woman who made me feel I was complimentary to her in an increasingly masculine way. In 1994 I reverted to my male status after four years analytical psychotherapy and now live very happily as a man despite the irreversible surgery I have undergone. Surgeons and psychiatrists have and continue to make mistakes as do individuals, about their true gender ID.
Published by: Alexandra
Copenhagen 08/15/2008 03:42 PM EST
To Roseanne Bennett and others:
I am a transsexual woman, fortunately, I shall be only responsible for who I am and what I am before God and His Holy Mother - not you or somebody else. And yes, as a matter of fact, my religious life is very active... I go to the Mass at the holy Catholic Church every Sunday, pray and read the Bible. I speak Latin and I would concider to become a non some day. If it bothers you, you are welcome to cast the first stone. Dominus tecum. Amen.
Published by: deborah
uk 04/12/2008 08:57 AM EST
please read.
i am a trans person, i conduct my life as well as possible. if god gives us all, god gave me this condition, and all i am doing is trying to live my life as honestly as possible. i have a loving partner, and are honest in my way in life (now) the catholic church has a lot to answer for historically, all due to people within it not being themselves, and becoming perverted. it is clear there are problems, in people. and science must be accepted. not to accept this means real danger if you think it is a huge sin i have done, well i had to, i havent hurt anyone, can you REALLY say the same for all your paritioners you accept each week???? REALLY i have seen the most disgusting sins from churchgoers, sins i have never contemplated. if the church does not accept and lead on these matters, it will fail. the rise of trans and intersex is due to modern chemical compounds in daily life affecting feotal devolopment. FACT this is on the increase, i pray no-one else ever has to be born as me and have to live my life. this is not a lifestyle choice, but medical fact. i am reasonably happy now, but i wish, really wish i had not been born like this. IS GOD TO BLAME ?? yes, but he also gave me my brain, and a lot of people on this world to help me. so thanks to him, for his help. i'd rather have been born like this you grumbling lot should be lobbying the governments to reaserch this problem otherwise more babies will suffer.
Published by: DES
BRISBANE,AUSTRALIA 09/17/2007 01:26 AM EST
I was born and educated in England, but have not resided there for 52 years.
It is sad to see the country going down the path of gay rights,etc. I am only glad I wont live long enough to see the worst that is to come in Europe and other western areas.
Published by: Jim
Washington, USA 09/15/2007 07:01 PM EST
The Church should make it clear that we will NOT comply. Even if it means prison or persecution. That is likely coming anyway. I think they will blink and if they don't then we go underground.
Published by: M. Lyons
Perth, Western Australia 09/14/2007 08:43 PM EST
Though I am saddened by this report, I am not surprised becuase this is coming from a country that has lost the "Way". Fringe groups have infiltrated and taken over the political system there. No wonder the British youth are so disillusioned and insecure! I believe they have dropped down to be the worst in Europe. Yes, they have truly lost the Way, and where there is no Way there is no will.
Published by: Mayanne
Pittsburgh, PA 09/14/2007 07:35 PM EST
When are we going to speak up and demand our rights. These laws are supposed to assist the citizens but we don't want them. If we all spoke out governments could not get away with such things. Start emailing, writing, and calling. Enough absurdity and we must Speak up for God.
Published by: Butch
Bensenville, IL USA 09/14/2007 02:28 PM EST
As a transsexual myself, I think that most of the English population could fall into our categorie by their behavior. So how will they know the difference?
Published by: Harold Crews
Walkertown, NC 09/14/2007 10:46 AM EST
How truly sad. Bishops in England and Wales will not be able to ordain or consecrate any priests or religous for their dioceses. Vocations will have to be sent outside of England and Wales. Then return to serve the English and Welsh Church.
Published by: Robert Montgomery
Wolcott, CT,USA 09/14/2007 09:22 AM EST
It sounds as if the new English "equality" laws are crossing the "wall of Separation of Church and States" to which the liberal secular progressives are so enamoured. Church officials, according to these folks, should keep their mouth shut when it comes to public policy. In other words, when one becomes a priest, biship, cardinal, etc. the secular progressives insist that they surrender their rights as citezens in a democracy and refrain from the exercise of free speech. It would seem to me that it would be in keeping with such a policy the opposite whould also be true, in other words, that government engage in similar restraint form involvement in church activity, to do otherwise seems to be hypocritical.
Published by: Pamela
Franklin, TN, USA 09/14/2007 09:11 AM EST
I am so saddened by the truly frightening things that are happening in the UK. I will never be able to refer to it as GREAT Britain again. It is just Britain from now on.
Published by: victor fiott
malta 09/14/2007 04:38 AM EST
i think there is a certain similarity between the present british government and the pr-300 a.d. roman emperors
Published by: Roseanne Bennett
Lewiston, Me 09/13/2007 09:01 PM EST
This is truly hysterical! Does the
Church in England really believe that these perverts would enter religious life? CNA, stop the foolish speculation!
Published by: Hope Ful
USA 09/13/2007 02:33 PM EST
This sickens me. I suppose this means that born females who now think they are male will be expected to be ordained priests! And the once males will be nuns!
What happened to RIGHTS of Catholics, Heteros, etc. It seems that rights of Gays and Bi- Sexuals are growing amd growing and the norms are losing all their rights almost. Evil does have power. We have to pray more!
Published by: Shelly
Ft. Walton Beach/Florida/USA 09/13/2007 01:03 PM EST
I think that if a person has a true conversion of heart that s/he should not be deprived of fullfilling God's calling in their life; however, I do believe that the call should be confirmed by their spiritual director and church community. On a side note, why is there a Google ad on a Catholic website for "Sexy Singles"? Thanks
Published by: Dolores
Palm Bay, FL USA 09/13/2007 01:02 PM EST
Unfortunately it is another example of the signs of the times.
Published by: Jerzy Gawor
London 09/13/2007 12:24 PM EST
This UK government has a track record of enshrining depravity in law. Anything is possible!
Published by: Stephen
San José, Costa Rica 09/13/2007 11:51 AM EST
Blah, garbage.
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