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Obama's pro-abortion executive order creates first clash with Vatican
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.- The first sign of Vatican disappointment with the Obama administration came on Saturday, when Holy See officials reacted to the President’s executive order reversing the Mexico City policy, thus making federal money available to promote abortion internationally. Obama signed the executive order canceling the eight-year-old restrictions on Friday, the third day of his presidency. In an interview published Saturday in the Italian daily Corriere della Sera, the President of the Pontifical Academy for Life, Archbishop Rino Fisichella said that "among the many good things that he could have done, Barack Obama instead has chosen the worst." "What is important is to know how to listen... without locking oneself into ideological visions with the arrogance of a person who, having the power, thinks they can decide on life and death," he added. "If this is one of the first acts of President Obama, with all due respect, it seems to me that the path towards disappointment will have been very short," Archbishop Fisichella said. He concluded by pointing out that "I do not believe that those who voted for him (Obama) took into consideration ethical themes, which were astutely left aside during the election debate. The majority of the American population does not take the same position as the president and his team." Another Vatican official, Archbishop Elio Sgreccia, joined Fisichella in his criticism to Obama’s pro-abortion decision. Although retired as former President of the Pontifical Academy for Life, Sgreccia's is still one of the most sought after opinions on bioethical issues in the Roma Curia. "This deals a harsh blow not only to us Catholics but to all the people across the world that fight against the slaughter of innocents that is carried out with abortion," Sgreccia told the Italian news agency ANSA . Subscriber comments:
Published by: a.j.
m.d 12/16/2009 03:18 PM EST
Unfortunately, many Christains believe that the secular world should be held to the same moral standard as the Church, but we fail to realize that God has always judged His house first without political wrangling; he affords humans the ability to chose thier on fates. Furthermore, it would be ignorant to suggest that the government can signifacantly decrease the number of abortions by restricting aid. If the argument is that the government should not fund abortion, one can clearly argue that our tax dollars are spent on many evils, but becuase they are in our interest we refuse to consider. The abortion issue came to a head as a result of its clandestine nature and the procedure was legalized in the attempt to improve the womans health after many realized that the government was ineffective of legislating morality. Sounds like Prohibition. Listen folks, infanticide has always existed, even during the days of old. Such a horendous but yet pervasive act should be treated, unfortunately, as any other sin. Most people on this blog probably could care less about a remote individual drowning his problems away through alcholism. What makes abortion different? Most of us hold contempt for the poor and the widow, especially if they are of a different ethnicity. The real power of Christians is our connection with God through prayer not through superficial laws that mask the real problems of our world.
Published by: Jeno Molnar
Gyor/Hungary 02/09/2009 10:09 AM EST
It is a tragedy.
The abortion was legalized in Hungary at the early sixties. Since that we have over 5 million children lost. This is the begining of the collapse of the atheist human civilization. The next step is the euthanasy.
Published by: Ted
Boston, MA, USA 01/29/2009 07:44 AM EST
Obama says his “recovery plan will include UNPRECEDENTED measures that will allow the American people to hold [his] administration ACCOUNTABLE” yet Obama refuses to be held ACCOUNTABLE to the same American people for his UNPRECEDENTED refusal to show his actual birth certificate.
Published by: Michael
Australia 01/28/2009 05:29 PM EST
Margaret@Baltimore
I agree that any Catholic who voted for abortion should feel shame. However what has Obama done for the economy? Left wing governments don't have a good track record with economies so I don't share your expectation. Even Obama seems to be talking up the negatives as if he lacks confidence in his own ability.
Published by: Ted Malluy
Boston, MA, USA 01/27/2009 08:36 PM EST
With the mounting job casualties, here's hoping SCOTUS either finds someone, somewhere, has standing to require BHO's birth certificate or fixes attention on a criminal indictment before he wins his War on Prosperity.
Published by: Ted
MA, USA 01/27/2009 08:34 PM EST
With the mounting job casualties, here's hoping SCOTUS either finds someone, somewhere, has standing to require BHO's birth certificate or fixes attention on a criminal indictment before he wins his War on Prosperity.
Published by: MARGARET ELLIS
Sun City Center, Fl 01/27/2009 06:24 AM EST  Rate: Excellent
Pray, Pray,Pray,God must be so sad, noing that our 44th. Pres. has no respect for life, we cannot continue on this road of taking lives of infants, how soon will they go to the feeble elderly??
Published by: Ivan
South Africa 01/27/2009 06:19 AM EST
The day we all start believing we have no rights at all, the world will become a far better place to live in.
Published by: vicchenyo
Zaria, Kaduna State - NIGERIA 01/27/2009 05:27 AM EST
I have been a prolifer all my life. Not because of my Catholic faith, but because it's logical to support the unborn.
All of us were once in the womb. So if we decide to support policies against the child in the womb, it makes us ungrateful and inimical to life generally. President Obama should respect life by reversing his stance on abortion. People living in developing countries looking for free monies can easily accept pro-abortion stands just for the monetary benefits and butcher their young from the womb. we do not want to end up messing the gift divinely given to us by God. We are here not by our own accord, so whay must we terminate others coming after us. Abortion is evil and must be prevented using every possibility available. I love the stance of the Catholic Church since Humane Vitae was published in 1968. Life is sacred and only God has power over it not any president.
Published by: Nancy
New York , USA 01/27/2009 01:08 AM EST
One of the countries that will now receive funds from us for family planning is China, which has a policy of forced abortion and sterilization. I am not disappointed in Obama because he stated publicly many times this was what he was going to dom I am more upset with the huge number of Americans including Catholics and others against abortion who couldn't or wouldn't have awareness as to what this man believes in. I expect to hear of more surprise when he overturns the ban on federal funds for embryonic stem cell research. And when we have Universal Health Care and rationing,
Published by: John T
Fairfax, Virginia 01/26/2009 10:33 PM EST Rate: Very Good
To Mr. Michael Lato in Sydney, Australia. You have listened to the Inauguration speech well. However, you have not listened to 44th's full name, Barrack HUSSEIN Obama. Nothing of his name identify him as a Christian. Detainees at Guantanamo Bay are
ALL muslim, 44th has the obligation to rescue them while killing innocent American babies is more effective than crashing airplanes on buildings. I cried for the blind eyes of the Catholic bishops who did not lead their sheeps to reject the 44th as a false christian.
Published by: NGJ
Mercer Island, WA USA 01/26/2009 09:17 PM EST
The Holy Father is disappointed by President Obama's reversal of the Mexico City policy. I am horrified and devastated! Our Lord said of those who crucified him "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do." These little souls are being crucified and the cry goes up "YES WE CAN!" Roe vs.Wade was the beginning of a fiendish plot against humankind. It continues. I am ashamed of our nation. The time has come to pray and fast until the battle is won. With God's help we can!
Published by: Juanita Hunt
Tonganoxie, Ks 01/26/2009 08:10 PM EST
Only God can straighten out all the mess the world is in out. Pray Pray Pray!
Published by: Gail Armstrong
Leavenworth, Kansas 01/26/2009 06:48 PM EST Rate: Excellent
I agree with Heidi, where were the Catholic voices during the Campaign? I will say, though, that our Archbishop and many of our Priests in Kansas did speak out., after all.. we have the misfortune to have Dr. Tiller's Abortion Clinic in Wichita, Kansas that murders our babies daily. The fight continues daily with the Sidewalk counselors trying to save the children. It sorrows me to know that so many of my brothers and sisters in the Catholic church voted for Obama! The only thing any of us need to be concerned about is voting against those that would support the Genocide in our country. Peace be with you...
Published by: wg
uk 01/26/2009 06:00 PM EST Rate: Regular
Whenever someone within the Church states a truth that bothers people, they bring up the abuse crisis rather than respond directly to the issue at hand.
Thats simple to do. I do not believe in a "soul". Please explain, without refering to bible, your proof?! I do wish abortion did not have to occur. However, I find it totally immoral the *bullying* exerted by catholics. Totally wrong.
Published by: Margaret
Baltimore MD USA 01/26/2009 05:27 PM EST
For shame on any Catholic who voted for Obama. Life is more important than the ecomony.
Published by: MICHAEL LATO
SYDNEY, AUSTRALIA 01/26/2009 04:43 PM EST
In his inaugural speech Barak Obama declared that "we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals". This cannot be applied selectively. If this principle can be invoked in defence of the detainees at Guantanamo Bay then it should be invoked even more strongly in defence of the unborn child. What future can any country have when the killing of its future children is sanctioned by Presidential decree?
Published by: The truth
St. Paul/MN 01/26/2009 04:29 PM EST
According to a survey by the Washington Post: less than 1.5 percent of the estimated 60,000 or more men who have served in the Catholic clergy have been accused of child sexual abuse
The data on the Protestant clergy . In a 1984 survey, 38.6 percent of ministers reported sexual contact with a church member, and 76 percent knew of another minister who had had sexual intercourse with a parishioner.In the same year, a Fuller Seminary survey of 1,200 ministers found that 20 percent of theologically “conservative” pastors admitted to some sexual contact outside of marriage with a church member. The figure jumped to over 40 percent for “moderates”; 50 percent of “liberal” pastors confessed to similar behavior. Finally, in the authoritative work by Penn State professor Philip Jenkins, Pedophiles and Priests, it was determined that between .2 and 1.7 percent of priests are pedophiles. The figure among the Protestant clergy ranges between 2 and 3 percent. CONCLUSION The issue of child sexual molestation is deserving of serious scholarship. Too often, assumptions have been made that this problem is worse in the Catholic clergy than in other sectors of society. This report does not support this conclusion. family members are the most likely to sexually molest a child. It shows that the incidence of sexual abuse of a minor is slightly higher among the Protestant clergy than among the Catholic clergy, and that it is significantly higher among public school teacher
Published by: Craig Rickard
Australia 01/26/2009 03:30 PM EST Rate: Regular
How ironic that Archbishop Rino Fisichella said:
"What is important is to know how to listen... without locking oneself into ideological visions with the arrogance of a person who, having the power, thinks they can decide on life and death" Thank God the bishop doesn't have the power.
Published by: Father Joseph
Houston, Texas 01/26/2009 03:24 PM EST Rate: Very Good
It's easy for people who "are living" to be for abortion. The church needs to fight the policies of the Obama administration with all its strength.
In the US, we had 54 per cent of whom I call "Sometime Catholic" vote for Mr. Obama. So, the church has a high road to climb. We are thankful for such great men as Archbishop Chaput who is the most outspoken. It would be nice to hear from all of them with strong voices
Published by: da verg
usa 01/26/2009 02:55 PM EST
Obama is not the legitimate president of the USA. The USA constitution requires that president be a natural born citizen (two parents being US citizens). Obama Sr. was not a US citizen.
The Vatican should immediate call this action as illegal and void. Call for the arrest of Obama on international crimes against the church and the innocents. Obama is a usurper in the office of presidency. He must be removed.
Published by: Pam
Longmont, CO, USA 01/26/2009 01:46 PM EST
The New American Holocaust just continues to gain momentum.
The Vatican better realize they are dealing with Henry The VIII all over again. Time for the Catholic Church to worry less about being PC and the impact on the collection basket and come out and strongly condemn this guy for what he really is.
Published by: rita
Houston/Texas/USA 01/26/2009 12:27 PM EST Rate: Excellent
Moral theology teaches if we aware of an evil committed, we can end up guilty of sinning as well if we participate either directly, or indirectly--sin of omission. There are several ways of becoming an accomplice to sin.“Silence”and
“Defense of the Evil Done” are two of the ways in which we cooperate. We are called to defend God’s laws. Murder of the innocent is always and in every case wrong.
Published by: Phil
Frankfort, NY, US 01/26/2009 12:27 PM EST
Our priests can't speak out against the government for fear of losing their tax exempt status.
Published by: J. Kruger
Florham Park, NJ USA 01/26/2009 12:18 PM EST
HE IS THE PRESIDENT OF DEATH....GOD HELP US!
Published by: Chris DiTomo
Tama, Iowa, USA 01/26/2009 11:53 AM EST
Mr. Linn, Not a surprise that someone would bring up clergy sex abuse scandal. Whenever someone within the Church states a truth that bothers people, they bring up the abuse crisis rather than respond directly to the issue at hand. That is a separate issue that has been addressed extensively. Study all of the policies and responses of the Church and ask what else it should be doing to
"fix its organization". Sin and scandal in the Church is an aweful thing. However, it does not change the truth that abortion is a grave evil. ... one for which our country will be judged.
Published by: Eric
Venezuela 01/26/2009 11:43 AM EST
I fully agree with the bishop Fisichella; you president Obama cannot decide about the life or the death and the Catholics of the world consistent with the Magisterium we criticize you your wrong position, you can not decide on life or death Mr.Obama understands this well.
Published by: j.gibs
Chicago, IL 01/26/2009 11:40 AM EST
I feel sad and defeated reading the hate spewed forth for those of us who believe that abortion is murder. I fail to see justification for any other conclusion. Yet I recogize we must dialoge with one another, but I am bewildered as to how to do it. I am left to pray, and pray I shall.
Published by: A Catholic in tears
Washington,l D.C. 01/26/2009 10:47 AM EST
To Kate & Rick, I need not to seek the wisdom from the Catholic law or the Cannon law that are made by men and men only. I had the previlege to see the real human fetus from Body Exhibit. A 9 week old baby is a life that fully form with fingers and eyes in details. Doctors perform abortion at 12 week old and i don't even want to tell you the glory details, but i can tell you this. It is a premeditated murder by the doctors, the parents, and the advocates of abortion. Who gave the pro-choice people the right to murder? By the way, not all the church officials are demons. I have been some humble priests such as the Boston Archbishop, His Eminence Sean Cardinal O'Malley and many other priests who lead the March for Life for years regardless their busy schedule. They are truly good men. Other church officials just do a little talk but never walk the walks.
Published by: Pedro Diaz
Hillsborough, New Jersey, USA 01/26/2009 10:10 AM EST
I do not understand people in our country, especially the ones with children mainly girls. How can you be pro-abortion when there are girls in your household? Don't they understand that if it was not for the birth of their mother we would not be here! President Obama how can you believe in Abortion? You are allowing people to kill human creatures. Have you not have any heart? This is Killing, period.
Published by: Stephen
El Paso, TX 01/26/2009 07:29 AM EST Rate: Excellent
Despite several uninformed comments here, the Vatican has every right to condemn President Obama's position. I find it ludicrous (and hypocritical) when we have a president who wants to worry about protecting the "rights" of known terrorists who have in many cases committed serious offenses against humanity, while at the same time he has so little regard for the lives and rights of innocent unborn children. I am not a crazy radical here, simply pointing out the hypocrisy. Why is it acceptable to punish innocents who have yet to be born, and to defend those guilty of heinous crimes who will in all likelihood return to those ways once released? It's funny how comments of religious leaders are treated with some degree of respect...unless they're Catholic. Then it's all right to make fun, bash, and otherwise disrespect these views. There are many American Catholics, I am sure, who don't truly understand what it means to be Catholic, because they voted for Obama in spite of his pro-abortion policies. And as to the pedophile priests, while these are indeed serious offenses, let's examine fact. The number of priests in that category is dismally small compared to the number of good, holy priests. Second, it was the American bishops, who have long thought themselves subject to their own whim, who dealt with this poorly, not the Vatican. And statistically instances of such abuse occur more often among Protestant youth ministers! Thank you liberal media for your keen reporting!
Published by: Pat
Lewis County, Washington, US 01/26/2009 01:29 AM EST Rate: Excellent
I am shocked at the ignorance of some of the comments here. Apparently, many Catholics do not have a clue as to authentic Catholic teaching on the dignity of human life. PLEASE read Evangelium Vitae (The Gospel of Life) and then reconsider the idiocy of saying that the living have more rights than unborn babies. The right to be ALIVE is paramount to all others. Killing an innocent life can never be excused. The poor of third world countries need just governments who do not cause their own people to suffer in order to line their own pockets and stay in power. Most impoverished nations have corrupt governments who profit from the suffering of their people. They accept aid from us and spend it on civil wars to stay in power while their own people starve or die from a multitude of diseases, including aids. It is imperialism at its worst for us to tell people how many children to have. They need our support for democracy and true education, so that they have the right to decide for themselves what is good for them. By giving foreign aid to support abortion all we are doing is helping their governments and abortion promoters to exterminate these people. Shame on us for allowing this to happen. Please pray for the conversion of our president and other leaders, and the misinformed citizens who have voted for them in a pro-abortion culture of death.
Published by: anonymous
kansas 01/25/2009 11:47 PM EST
Pope Benedict is providing us with the proper attitude and actions to deal effectively with this issue. (Notice how he and the Bishops send letters to President Obama?) I would like to encourage everyone to practice the Christian principles when dealing with this.
I would like to encourage everyone to write to your representatives and to President Obama. They need for us to share and teach Catholic values with them. There are many websites online which make it very easy to contact your representatives. Catholic Charities USA, and Congress.org are places where I recommend to write from. Being brief, and showing respect is important in making a positive impact. Can anyone think of other positive suggestions on how to effectively deal with this? This is a good place to list them. Good wishes to all.
Published by: Rick
El Paso, TX USA 01/25/2009 11:45 PM EST Rate: Regular
Please be truthful, is the title correct? Is it "The Vatican" making official negative comments, oris it two people affiliated in some way with the Vatican, who are expressing a personal idea?
I bring this up because I believe that many, either purposefully (to air a political bias) or naturally (because they really believe it) try to infer that Obama is somehow "for" abortion. The opposite is true, in that Obama believes that far fewer abortions will happen using the approach of education, counseling, economic elevation, and re-socializing some segments, rather than the criminalization approach. Since I cannot do the research required to fully understand the whole issue, I rely on two paths of information. One is the opinion of the Catholic law professor (a former republican in Reagan's cabinet support group)who wrote a book which defended Obama's thinking on abortion as the most likely to succeed. Secondly, Obama's decency and smarts lead me to trust his approach. I have never seen an official message from The Vatican which in any way refutes the professor's book, or Obama's approach. Have you?
Published by: Kate
Watkinsville/Ga/USA 01/25/2009 10:07 PM EST Rate: Regular
This order doesn't advocate abortions or promote them, it merely allows US aid to go to countries that perform abortions or provide information about abortions. Those that voted for Obama here in America know exactly what he believes and this was actually brought up during the campaign. Furthermore, this will save women with high-risk pregnancies' lives in the poorest nations in the world.
Published by: jdj
Al 01/25/2009 09:35 PM EST
Should I b proud that my president is okay killing all the babies in Mesixo City
Published by: A Catholic in tears
Washington D.C. 01/25/2009 08:43 PM EST
Vatican officials are both demons and angels. They are quick to advice Pope Benedict XVI to publically endorse a very Phenomenally popular American president, knowing exactly he said what he is going to do. I attended only sone of the four workshop of Faithful citizens and i knew then American bishops and Vatican officials are not serious about saving innocent lives of the unborn babies. Remember the Limbo issue, Vatican officials opinioned that unborn babies can not go to heaven because they have not been baptized. The 54 percents of Catholics voted for the abortion promoter with a muslim middle, Barrack Hussein Obama. That is the result of the American bishops' failure to lead as shepherds do. Do you know how many bishops lead the March for Life this year last week? I cry for the killing of innocent babies and i cry for the betrayals of the church officials
Published by: Tom Siegel
Yonkers, New York 01/25/2009 08:43 PM EST
In his inaugural address President Obama told Americans, "...but also a parent's willingness to nurture a child, that finally decides our fate." What will be our fate if this is one of his first actions as president?
Published by: Michael
Frankfort, KY 01/25/2009 08:21 PM EST Rate: Very Good
So now Obama's "true colors" have manifested themselves. Many of us are not at all surprised. What a sadness for those who hailed him practically as a messianic figure and the "first African American president". The race card backfired - too many who voted for him looked at color instead of his ideology. He has deceived us all. I wish I could have voted for Alan Keyes instead - a real (not half) African -American who thinks rightly about what matters - the primacy of the right to life!
Published by: Ebube Ehiobu
Dallas, Texas U.S.A 01/25/2009 06:42 PM EST
Ha Ha Ha Ha, Sorry I'm laughing, I am not suprise all this is coming now, I am only among the few who saw the hand witing on the wall.
He is a complete Libral, so what do you expect, I beleive voting him in was a mistake in the first place.He has just started. Our prayer is that God's will not his own will be done.Amen......
Published by: JIM MALONE
CHICAGO IL USA 01/25/2009 06:03 PM EST
VERY DISAPPOINTED WITH THE PRESIDENT-
Published by: Larry Linn
Los Angeles, CA, USA 01/25/2009 05:02 PM EST Rate: Regular
So the Vatican has a problem? The Vatican has no problem with shielding pedophile priests, restoring other priests, whom are anti-Semitic, then condemns other individuals for “locking oneself into ideological visions with the arrogance of a person who, having the power, thinks they can decide on life and death”. The leader of every nation on earth has the power of life over death. The Vatican should correct their own organization, before making judgments upon others.
Published by: Larry Linn
Los Angeles, CA USA 01/25/2009 04:47 PM EST Rate: Bad
So the Vatican promotes antik-semetism, shields sexual predators, but has a major problem with birth control! What would Jesus think?
Published by: Bruno Jacobs
Namur - Belgium 01/25/2009 04:26 PM EST
I fully share the positions stated by Holy See representatives. However, with the bad record Obama had on pro-life issues, how can one be surprised by what's happening now ? Thinking that Obama would do anything else seems to me like an illusion, and I can hardly believe that the Vatican was not sufficiently informed about the new president's real intentions.
Published by: Dan
Santa Fe/NM/US 01/25/2009 03:05 PM EST
Yes but Doug said Obama is for reducing abortions, and Doug looked into his soul and saw good. It only took 3 days to PROVE so called Pro-Life Catholic self proclaimed intellectual wrong? I fear the worst now for those who don't hail obama.
Published by: Maureen
Illinois USA 01/25/2009 02:29 PM EST Rate: Regular
There was not an ounce of God's love, let alone man's good sense, in evidence in the "Mexico City" policy. It was a policy that harmed millions of "born" individuals through an across-the-board denial of life saving other aid because that aid made abotion, once again, a litmus test issue. Although the "unborn" have rights but those rights, they do not in all circumstances trump the rights of the already born. The Obama Administration is restoring good sense to our government.
Published by: Lucy
Half Moon Bay, CA, USA 01/25/2009 02:25 PM EST Rate: Regular
Dear Sir,
The catholic church certainly has a right to their opinion. However, in America, we have a democratic process set by our constitution. The people voted for President Obama in a majority that hasn't been seen in a long time. Mr. Obama's campain platform was publicized and Mr. Obama made his positions clear. All of us voted for him knowing that. It is an insult of our citizens to say that ethics wasn't a part of our consideration. Furthermore, it is an insult for the catholic church to call our newly elected President "arrogant" for performing his duty, promise, and citizenry. This is a democracy and not a theocracy. Our president serves our country and not the Vatican. I for one am very insulted by the Vatican that owes no allegience to noone but themselves and their agenda.
Published by: heidi mayer
University Place, WA, US 01/25/2009 02:19 PM EST Rate: Excellent
Obama's actions regarding abortion are not a surprise...he's been open about it all along. Where were the Catholic voices during the campaign??? How many priests spoke out then? Our clergy let us down all over this country.
Published by: Jeff Wynne
Quakertown, PA 01/25/2009 02:09 PM EST
The population control agenda which fuels abortion strategy of volunteer mass genocide is a supreme profession that America's faith is so weak that the words "In God We Trust" has little meaning. Pray for our nation that we renew our trust in God and forsake the agenda of playing at God.
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