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Targeted Proposition 8 supporter urges Catholics to ‘stand up’ despite critics
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.- The owner of a family-owned ice cream shop and restaurant in Sacramento who has been targeted by angry phone calls and e-mails and obscene Valentine’s Day cards because of his support for the Proposition 8 campaign says Catholics should “stand up” for marriage despite the consequences and the “lies” of extremist activists. The passage of Proposition 8, which overturned a California Supreme Court decision instating same-sex “marriage,” prompted major protests from homosexual activists and their allies. Allan Leatherby, 46, told CNA that he and other family members decided to contribute to the Yes on 8 campaign after Bishop of Sacramento Jaime Soto personally called him to ask for his support. Members of the Leatherby family, which owns Leatherby’s Family Creamery, gave $20,000 to the campaign. “It was a response to his personal request. Otherwise we might not have supported it in that amount,” he explained to CNA. “Obviously as Catholics we value marriage,” he said, saying they saw some “huge red flags” about the effects of same-sex marriage. When the family’s support for Proposition 8 became public, protesters targeted their business. The ice cream shop was picketed, employees in company sweat shirts were harassed and angry callers phoned the business. The business reportedly received hundreds of angry e-mails and was targeted by bloggers. Leatherby also received obscene Valentine’s Day cards in the mail. “There is no way we could have prepared for the kind of reaction we got,” he said. “Business is actually down and that worries me. Can a business sustain that kind of negativity in the long-term? God only knows.” After the election, business increased because Proposition 8 supporters deliberately frequented the business, but their numbers have decreased. Leatherby’s Family Creamery and its owners enjoy a good reputation in the Sacramento area because of the business’ donations of ice cream to area charities. Leatherby himself is an active volunteer and built stairs and helped renovations at Hope House, a former AIDS hospice. Speaking with CNA on Wednesday, Leatherby explained his support for Proposition 8, saying he disagreed with characterizations of same-sex marriage as a civil rights issue. “I have men’s and women’s restrooms in my establishment. Is that discrimination? No. Why? Because men and women are different! “They’re equal in dignity but they’re different. A relationship between a man and a woman is different than a man and a man or a woman and a woman, hands down,” especially when children are considered. Leatherby explained how Leatherby’s Family Creamery didn’t know what would transpire on the day after the election as angered opponents began to organize protests. He said a friend overheard a protest group say they were going to start picketing and contacted him. Some opponents of Proposition 8 and some members of the gay and lesbian community also called to warn they would be boycotting. There were rumors of a “sitdown” where protesters would not allow customers to enter the ice cream shop. “We got a call from police department and the sherrif’s department saying ‘we are concerned for your safety’.” Angry and violent e-mails and blogs increased concern about the protests, leading law enforcement to ask if they could position a patrol car at each location. Leatherby then contacted members of his and his wife’s large families, asking for their support. Others heard about the protests against the Leatherbys, resulting in an “outpouring of support” from those who wanted to make sure they didn’t go out of business. When the shop opened, picketers were stationed out front carrying “vulgar, crazy signs.” However, there was also a long line of people waiting to go into the store to show their support. “That was just tremendous, to have that support,” Leatherby told CNA. “Now I know how George Bailey felt at the ends of ‘It’s a Wonderful Life’,” he added. “It’s nice to have friends.” Asked to describe the kind of critical comments he had received, Leatherby said Proposition 8 opponents have been “all over the board.” “Most of them associate me and my family with hateful, spiteful people that would drag homosexuals out into the street and beat them up. “It’s amazing. Because of the lies that are told about this, about how supporters are hateful, so many people have bought into that!” “A majority of Californians are not hateful people. It’s a lie to say that. “They don’t hate gay people, they support marriage. “You can’t hold those beliefs any longer unless you’re considered hateful?” Leatherby asked. “Is Mother Teresa a hateful person? She has the same beliefs I do. “One of the first houses she opened in San Francisco was an AIDS house for gay men. Some of the first people she reached out to were gay men,” Leatherby noted. “If it wasn’t so horrible, it would be silly,” he said of the criticisms. He said the phone calls accusing his family of hate are “vulgar, swearing, for the most part just angry,” explaining his mother took one such call on Tuesday. “You accuse me of hate, could you please listen to what you are saying?” she said to the caller, according to Leatherby. “They’re so emotional and so angry that they don’t’ take time to sit back and think about it,” he said. He noted that he and his business had even been threatened. “Our employees, little 16-year-old girls, have been threatened physically because of my family’s stand,” he said. Not all the interactions with critics have been negative. Leatherby recounted his meeting with a 70-year-old man who was critical of his support for Proposition 8. “After talking with him, I said I used to work at a certain house for gay men dying of AIDS. “He broke down in tears and said, ‘one of my partners died there’.” Leatherby offered to buy him lunch, where he learned that the man had grown up in a Catholic orphanage. “The man said ‘the Catholic church had done more for me than anyone else in my life.’ “He said he had been abused before he entered the orphanage, and said he wouldn’t have been gay if he had had a strong man in his life.” Relatives of gays tell Leatherby they support him, but it’s “very difficult” for them. “Some gays come in and say ‘I wasn’t for Proposition 8, but we don’t agree with the boycott, and how they’re treating you, so we’d like you to know we’re not in favor of that.’” He recounted how one man had told a television station he had voted for Proposition 8 after noticing the difference between the two sides and the different examples of their advocates. CNA asked Leatherby what he would say to those Catholics who are wary to support marriage publicly for fear of economic and social consequences. “I think we have to stand up,” he replied. “The biggest fear is: if you don’t, you’re going to be in violation of hate crimes very soon,” warning that people “could be dragged to jail.” He predicted others will “stand up” following his lead. “To stand alone is always difficult,” he said, adding that many people have come in and spoken with his family in support. “We’ve been very public when the news media has asked us to step up and I hope that would encourage other people to step up” and not “cower,” Leatherby told CNA. Subscriber comments:
Published by: Gina Smith
England 03/06/2009 06:03 AM EST
Well said Lilly. Very rarely do I come across gays who live by the *live and let live* mantra they proclaim to live by. Imposing their perverse lifestyle upon others is what gets peoples backs up against the wall most.
Not only that, but equating disapproval to hate is getting beyond tedious and onto desperate territory. The behaviour of the likes of Noel etc expose practicing gays for the violent perverse nature that exists within many of them.
Published by: Gina Smith
England 03/06/2009 05:59 AM EST
Noel,
Jesus would not have supported sodomy. Jesus and God are part of the Trinity, and Jesus never contradicted God or His order. God, throughout the OT and NT condemned Sodomy- PERIOD. You are mixing God and Jesus up with Satan, as he is the king of lies. It is not God you will have to pray to to get homosexual marriage permitted, but Satan.
Published by: Gina Smith
England 03/06/2009 05:55 AM EST
Love, hate or ignorance,
Correction- Jesus did not break tradition but fulfilled tradition. He himself said in His own words that He had not come to destroy the law- or did you miss that part of Scripture? Jesus Himself said that in the beginning it was designed for man to leave his home and unite in matrimony with a woman- nowhere did he mention men uniting with men in matrimony. Using the word *hate* to describe disapproval is highly disingenuous and simply exposes homosexuals and radical homosexual advocates like yourself for the liars and internally conflicted people the world knows you to be. I suggest you take tips from your own name and learn to love God’s law, lessen your hatred of God’s order, and minimise your ignorance of what keeps society healthy.
Published by: Gina Smith
England 03/06/2009 05:44 AM EST
Jarrod from La,
Jarod, according to the non religious Jon Jay Criminal College’s investigations, it was homosexual priests who were predominantly responsible for the molestation of boys Over 80% of the victims were post pubescent teenage boys and the perpetrators priests with SSAD. The tactics of people like you to constantly bring up the paedophilia crisis within the Church whenever abortion or the perversion of homosexuality is brought up is beyond unoriginal. It also displays your ignorance in understanding that the underlying contributor to sexual abuse of children within the Church was homosexual priests.
Published by: Lily
SLC, UT USA 03/03/2009 01:08 PM EST
Here's the thing, Noel - when I open my eyes to gays, I don't see you. Why? Because there are very few 'stories' reported about quiet, non-judgmental, non-violent gays. I see the stories like the firefighters being forced to march in a gay parade and be subjected to taunts. I see the stories about the radical gays that disrupt church services. I see story after story about gays shouting hate and discrimination and trying to shut down a family business and the like. And yes, I can compare homosexuality to other forms of deviance because that's what it is. Now, if this is truly not representative of the gay community, then by all means, why don't you stop it? Why don't you get on the media and put an end to the sensationalism?
Published by: Noel Salvador
San Jose, CA 03/02/2009 06:58 PM EST
I know some people think their opposotion to same-sex marriage is justified through the bible. But history shows that we have used the bible to oppose many things that we now see as disgraceful and unnaceptable.
Keep in mind that we have used the bible to make women inferior to men, to make slavery acceptable, to take lands from other groups, and even to kill. Those are things that are obviously agains my moral and values, but yet people in some time or another have fell in the same trap we are falling today. I know that not all relifious people oppose same sex marriage, and I thank God for that.
Published by: Noel Salvador
San Jose, CA 03/02/2009 03:03 PM EST
No, Lily, the sex is not the important part in every gay person, just like it's not in every straight person.
After a while, sex is sex, and people who base their life only on sex are empty. But love, Lily, love is what's more important between two human beings who want to be together. Nobody can take away that feeling from two people. You can compare homosexuality with all those other things if you want. It just show that you don't have a sense of morality and values. Lily, you need to start looking inside you. Maybe you are an unhappy person and that's why you only focus only in the sex action that occur in two men, and not in the other beautiful feelings that God gave us to share. May God bless you and May God open your heart and your eyes.
Published by: Lily
SLC, UT USA 02/27/2009 04:45 PM EST
Homosexuality is a perverse deviance based on sexual gratification. The
'gay community' is frankly out of control and needs to be eradicated - not the people but the behavior. States which still have sodomy laws on the books need to enforce them. You gay people, or, oh-so-open-minded straights - where do you draw the line? Is pedophilia okay? Why not? What about bestiality? Why not? Isn't all sex equal? YES IT IS A CHOICE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ACT ON PERVERSE FEELINGS.
Published by: Francis Xavier T
Washington, D.C. 02/27/2009 03:16 PM EST
Noel Salvador, Does Bonobos still exist? Are you a fish? Is your God Aphrodite? What scripture do you read that endorses same sex marriage? What faith do you believe? We are curious to know if you don't mind educate us.
Published by: Denis Nolan
South Bend, Indiana 46617 02/27/2009 11:53 AM EST
I hope others follow the Leathery family's lead... It's no time for cowards!
And this was exactly Saul Alinsky’s tactic – a lot of politicians today state they were formed by his book on political action (dedicated to Lucifer, but the way)... Regardless the issue, be aggressive – go on the attack – and the other side will back down. God bless the Leatherbys! I hope I have the courage to follow their example so that when my turn comes to stand up for the truth – when it's uncomfortable – I won't back down!
Published by: Barb
Wasilla, Alaska 02/27/2009 11:32 AM EST
What a courageous and spirit led family. I will continue to pray for strength and protection for this family for the terroristic gay attacks they have endured.
Published by: JerseyJoe
Garden City NY USA 02/27/2009 10:59 AM EST
I'm only sorry that I live so far away. I'd like to buy 5 freight cars full of ice cream from these people. Keep the faith! From the story it's obvious who the real bigots are!!
Published by: Niles
San Francisco CA 02/27/2009 09:47 AM EST
Catholics and Christians
don't hate; the Leatherby family has chosen to hate a minority group, so draw your own conclusions. Equal Rights=Civil Rights.
Published by: Noel Salvador
San Jose/CA/United States: 02/27/2009 01:20 AM EST
hey, have you heard, the bonobos actually have sex with females and males. You can google it to get the information. I studied that in my anthropology class. I am glad that bisexuals have a representation in the animal kingdom.
Oh, and what about the sea horse? Have you heard? The male sea horse is the one that gets pregnant. If Jesus Christ were here, he would be excumunicated from church for supporting marriage for gays and for straights. I am praying God for same sex marriage, and for all those californians who strongly opposed it. I know God can change hearts. I have faith.
Published by: love, hate, or ignorance!
San Jose, CA, USA. 02/27/2009 01:13 AM EST
Somoene said marriage is good, than why not share it. If you are christian, you guys need a lot to learn. When Jesus was around, he broke with church traditions and believes and for a good cause.
Gay people are equally capable of living a marriage life just like heterosexual people. Some gay and heterosexuals can also fail to their commintements with there partner in the same way. So, some of you chritians or catholics, I don't know if you hate, but defenitely, I know that you need to learn to love others; words means nothing, act your feelings out and share marriage with gay couples. Thanks.
Published by: Kelsieb
San Diego, CA 02/26/2009 09:23 PM EST
If Leatherby's religion (which is a choice) says don't marry someone of the same sex, then he shouldn't. If he spends $20,000.00 to take that away from me, even though it's not against my religion, I have a problem with that. The Catholic Church, by promoting anti-american activity (i.e., the majority taking away opportunities for happiness from the minority), they continue to make themselves look worse and worse. And those who abdicate their personal responsibility by citing a parent-child relationship with the Church 9which is their choice) are no better than Nazis who said they were just following orders. Worse, in a way, because most of the Nazis really didn't have a choice.
Published by: E.D.Maruyama
Japan 02/26/2009 09:12 PM EST
Divine Mercy is for all who are suffering. Just don't forget to give your trust in Jesus. Let's pray together for you and for them too to get converted. God bless.
Published by: Jarrod
Los Angeles 02/26/2009 07:02 PM EST
Instead of focusing on gay marriage, we should be more outraged, disgusted, and angry our donations have gone toward sexual abuse charges by our priests. We need to clean our house first!!
Published by: Rob
KY, USA 02/26/2009 05:58 PM EST
Further proof that psychological disorder plays a role in homosexuality. When it comes down to it after reading experience after experience, I have noticed that either they were abused as children and poor/absent parents and/or a psychologist had convinced them that they were homosexual and participating in homosexual activities would help with their problems. Growing up in such violent environments would also be the likely reason for the violence and hatred they display. You see very little from the true marriage side, those who understand what marriage actually is and the responsibility involved. Hopefully after this is all over, we will have restored the strength of true marriage laws. Marriage is a life long commitment, not for the sake of sexual pleasure, but for the sake of the children who need both parents (one male and one female.) We need to keep praying for everyone.
Published by: Peggy Smith
Bensalem, PA 02/26/2009 05:34 PM EST
May God Bless and Keep you. You are a very good witness to the truth!
Published by: Francis Xavier T
Washington, D.C. 02/26/2009 03:29 PM EST
To FlexSF in San Francisco, Marriage is universally agreed to be the union between a man and woman. It is not a religious law. Even animals know that the right kind of sexual activities is the kind between a male and a female. These animals don't have a religion and they don't participate politic debate. They know the truth about sexuality. Why don't you?
Published by: Theresia Lawrence
San Antonio, Texas USA 02/26/2009 03:01 PM EST
I am sorry the Leatherby's have suffered such violent outbursts from those who stand against the laws of God according to marriage. Gays are children of God who are called to live love in a very exalted way, showing our world that love is not just a physical or emotional experience. Gays can be a beacon of the truth of love that is higher and deeper than sense experience, that love is eternal, and that Love is first and formost God emptying Himself for our good - God forgetful of His need in order to reach out and bring us to union with Him - to holiness. The anger of some guys thrown against things live Propotion 8 shows that their moral conscience has been pricked and they fight against the healing truth can bring them...Let us pray for them and for one another that we may live the truth of love in peace and moral dignity.
Published by: John
England 02/26/2009 02:05 PM EST
FlexSF, marriage is not a right. Furthermore, by definition, marriage is a union between a man and a woman, regardless what the law says. Case closed.
Published by: PK
Los Gatos, CA 02/26/2009 02:04 PM EST
God teaches that we should all have charity. The word charity does not just mean to make sure everyone feels good and is confortable. It includes love of God and your fellow man. It also includes striving to keep the commandments and living a pure life. Please do not call Christians hateful for trying to do the right thing.
Published by: Dr. Guy Di
Chicago, illinois 02/26/2009 01:45 PM EST
FlexSF make the point that many of us have knon for a long time, it is many of the opponents of proposition 8 who are the real bigots. They and their violent crowd should be charged with hate crimes for their assult on those who hold traditional Christian values.
Published by: Amy
CA 02/26/2009 01:29 PM EST
It is fine if you have an attraction to the same sex. It is purely a sexual attraction though, you can be friends with that person just the same without sleeping with them. Take a moment to study the popes theology of the body and you will learn what the ultimate goal is for us and why we were put on the earth as male and female. God gave Adam a companion, a female, not a male. Our nation was founded on Gods word, you keep trying to take God out of everything yet wonder why this world is the way it is. The reason gay people get so upset when we support prop 8 is because you know inside it is wrong to do what you are choosing to do, even if you were born that way or not, you should be working on becoming one with Christ, not using eachother's flesh for your own gratifications.
Published by: susan
mchenry, il 02/26/2009 01:11 PM EST
Rush
Laura Ingrahm Glenn Beck Sean Hannity Bill O'Reilly Savage Need to support these businesses, these sad disturbed people targeting this business illegally should be charged. These folks need not dialouge on Faith issues at this point - they need to start suing and having these criminals charged - its the only way to protect small businesses in US.
Published by: WeTheSheeple
Michigan 02/26/2009 12:38 PM EST
And if I vote to ban catholics from voting it isn't because I hate christians, but rather I'm supporting the one TRUE religion...
Published by: Brian Slater
San Diego 02/26/2009 12:15 PM EST
Here is problem that Prop 8 supporters don't understand: If you are for 'traditional' marriage, then by definition, you are against gays and lesbians. They ARE mutually exclusive. Either you are FOR gays rights or you are FOR traditional marriage. I am not suggesting that ALL prop 8 suppoprters are bigots and/or hateful. But most of us will NEVER back down until we have gained ALL of the same rights as heterosexual couples have, not just 'virtually' all of the same rights from domestic partnerships, but ALL of the same rights. Homosexuality is not is NOT illegal, therfore gay marriage cannot be illegal. Very soon, all of this will be irrelevant. It is only a matter of time before gays have the right to marry. You are fighting a losing battle.
Published by: Marian
Memphis/TN/USA 02/26/2009 12:08 PM EST
Three cheers for the Leatherby family!! I stand with them in prayer. "Blessed are you when men shall revile you and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for My sake."
Published by: Jennifer
Denver/CO/USA 02/26/2009 12:02 PM EST
What an example of authentic Catholic citizenship... this must be the standard to which we hold ourselves as practicing American Catholics - Leatherby must have read Archbishop Charles Chaput's "Render Unto Caesar" and take its message to heart.
Published by: FlexSF
San Francisco 02/26/2009 11:46 AM EST
The only liar is your catholic bishop, sir. You should take some responsibility for your actions. You spent $20,000 towards a campaign, to deny marriage rights to gay people. There is nothing kind and loving about that act. You bent over backwards, to support prop8's passage. The end result is a religious law imposed into our private lives. It doesn't feel good. As for your creamery, you put it on the line when you donated your hard earned money into this flamboyant, bigoted campaign.
Published by: D.F. Moren
Santa Fe Springs, CA 02/26/2009 11:22 AM EST
How can folks in Southern Ca purchase items from these good people. If I am going to buy ice cream, I would like my money to go to those who promote the values of my faith.
txs
Published by: Lily
SLC, UT USA 02/26/2009 10:58 AM EST
Here's what's funny - when I respond to these kinds of stories on this forum, I am LAMBASTED by certain gays because I speak up against the sinfulness and perversion of their sexual proclivity. Yet they are the ones who are violent; they are the ones screaming; they are the ones guilty of genuine 'hate' crimes. Another funny thing is when Catholics are attacked and accused of not tolerating anyone who doesn't agree with them - I think there are a lot of people who need to look in the mirror before they make that silly accusation. God bless the Leatherby's
Published by: Cesar Garza
Round Rock, Texas 02/26/2009 10:33 AM EST
If you have any way of communicating with the person in your story, please tell her that she is not alone. Many of us wish her well; she will be in our prayers.
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