Monique: I agree with your excellent comments on Russian atheistic communism but the present paralysis in Western morality probably owes more to Enlightenment rationalism than to Russian communism. If Russia never existed, or was entirely Christian, the present malaise would most likely still be with us. The breakdown of family life needs no assistance from Russia. The USA and the European Union are doing a fine job of demolishing the family. Errors abound here. European atheistic ideologies are extremely stubborn and easily rival Russian atheism in their ability to seep almost unnoticed into the Catholic consciousness. Look at how many so-called Catholics now support abortion and homosexuality. The mantle of atheism has passed from Russia to most of Europe and into large sections of American life. In that sense, Our Lady's Fatima prophecy was superbly accurate. But we need to be cunning to the threat within as well as the one without. While we look anxiously out of the Fold for danger, the wolf has come in by another gate. God bless.

What are the errors of Russia? How about atheism? In order to destroy belief in God, communists try to destroy the family and put the state above everything. How do you destroy the family? Divorce, abortion, birth control, pornography, homosexuality, militant feminism where gender is tried to become unisex so as to destroy the complementarity of the sexes, state control of education. Easy divorce and all the state agencies that are involved as a result of divorce such as social workers, lawyers, welfare departments as well as lawyers, judges, law enforcement, etc. is the big one. Try making divorce illegal - the outcry will be loud and swift. These things have spread across the world.

If one's concept of the fullness of true faith is based on an extinct language then one has built his house on a bed of sand. Our Lord said that the best religion takes care of widows and orphans. How do you expect widows and orphans to understand esoteric worship. He also condemned the Pharisees for building codes of law that were onerous on the every day folk. Take heed, read your bible. In the language you THINK in.

As Vatican II commenced in 1962, a little-known secret society, the Ordo Templis Orientis (OTO), conducted a ceremony to celebrate the opening of the Council. The OTO's occult icon, the "Stele of Revealing," was carried across Germany from Hamburg to Zurich, then onwards to Stein, where it was borne into the OTO's chapel, with bells ringing, for a Gnostic ritual. What advance knowledge did OTO have of the Council's designs that caused it to celebrate in such a manner? It was its assurance that the Masonic liberal principles of the French Revolution would be enshrined in the Council. Even Leon Josef Cardinal Suenens of Belgium noted that the Vatican II Council is the French Revolution (1789) in the Church; Yves Congar, O.P. stated that “The Church has peacefully undergone its October Revolution”. Secondly, the failure of this Council to formally condemn International Atheistic Communism is sufficient to cast a dark shadow up its entire proceedings. If this Council were truly Pastoral as it claimed it was, wouldn’t it make sense to demonstrate its pastoral solicitude for the million who suffered under Communism? I should think that this would be first & foremost, being a Pastoral Council.

It is remarkable that, after nearly 40+ years of liturgical decline, liturgical anarchy and liturgical abuse, the "Lefebvreites" would be at the center of controversy, especially amongst those Catholics who consider themselves orthodox. Of course,most of you are fully aware of the difference between validity and licity, so there is no point in arguing that the Mass of Paul VI is invalid-but there is an enormous opportunity to argue the wisdon, prudence and manner of its inauguration, as a rite of worship completely inferior to the Roman Rite of venerable antiquity. "Inferior" does not mean "invalid"-it just means it expresses the sacramental and sacrificial realities of the one Catholic mass in a manner that is inferior in an aesthetic, sacral and doctrinal sense. To paraphrase Chesterton, who was referring to blank verse poetry, " 'The Pauline Rite' is no more a reform of the liturgy than is sleeping in a ditch an innovation in architecture."

I would be genuinely grateful if someone could tell me what errors Russia is spreading throughout the world today. I realise the concerns about Russia in 1917 and the spread of communism. But does the same threat exist today? It seems to me that there are worse evils facing us today that have little or nothing to do with Russia: the evils of capitalist greed, very much in evidence today, and Western consumerism, have devastated the resources of impoverished countries, and contribute in no small measure to the spread of the appalling evil of child poverty. Russia has become a big consumer, too, but it sins no more than we in this respect. In dedicating the whole world to Mary, John Paul II (?) did the right thing.

"Not every valid council in the history of the Church has been a fruitful one; in the last analysis, many of them have been just a waste of time."--Principles of Catholic Theology By Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger

What happened to St. Simon of Trent? Is he still a saint?

It's high time to edit (toss some) and re-issue the conciliar documents and other stuff that has caused such a mess with implementation.

May we pray for the unity of Christians, of the True Faith! That we maybe guided under One Shepherd! Also, lets pray that this meeting going on in Rome will bring good fruits, and Unite the Tridentine Rite, Godfearing people all around the world! Also pray that we do get a Personal Prelature not only for the SSPX but also for those communities not yet united with Rome! As well as those who are united!

I am not at all certain what advantages a personal prelature would secure for SSPX. I doubt seriously that a PP would bring about a change in attitude of those Catholics who now accuse that organization of being "schismatic" and "disobedient." A PP,in my opinion, would in no way correct the Conciliar errors and abuses. Such an arrangement might make the SSPX leadership happy, but would not much improve the lot of SSPX faithful. We weren't doing so badly under the patently absurd "excommunication" edict. Let's just go back to that until Russia is genuinely consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

I don't care if you're talking pre-vaticanll or post-vatican ll, the cruz of the Sacrifice of the Mass is the Sacrifice of Christ upon the Cross: His giving up of Himself for our sins. This is the focus and summit of our lives: God the Father giving up His Son,Jesus Christ Himself, to reconcile us from the effects of our sins. How we celebrate the Sacrifice is always going to be open to the discretion of the Chair of Peter, whom Jesus Christ put in charge in the first place.

As the doctrinal discussions are set to take off Monday between the SSPX and Vatican, we who support the former pray that the Vatican recover the heads they lost at Vatican II and return to the religion they left in 1962. The modernism so often condemned by the pre-1960s popes, and so often championed by their post-1962 successors, has led more souls to hell than all previous heresies combined. It is our hope that being confronted by the unchangeable doctrines they have for so long forsaken will at least cause those laymen weighing the evidence that they are not crazy: There is a very real conflict between Catholic doctrine and everything emanating from Vatican II (Just ask your grandparents who are old enough to remember real Catholicism!). There is no salvation outside the Church; there is no such thing as a 'right' to religious liberty; it is not permissible to pray with heretics; the Catholic Church is the only true Church; Women cannot be priests; most people choose by their decisions in this life to go to hell; hell is not empty. If you don't believe these things, yet profess to be Catholic, you too are part of the problem, and we want either to convert you, or rid the Church of you.

Yes, by all means re-unite, structuring the SPX as a personal prelature or whatever. But don't do it at the expense of doctrinal integrity.

As long as the members SPXX believe that the only true Mass is the Pre Vactican II Mass there will be no change is the present fued.

Please pray daily rosaries for the consecration of Russia to Mary's Immaculate Heart and that these doctrinal discussions unfold according to God's will. Visit the SSPX website to participate in the Rosary Crusade. Millions of Rosaries are being offered to Our Lady.

Many thanks for the information about prayer from Margaretta in the Phillippines - my family and I will begin to say the Memorare and St. Michael's prayer for the intention of fruitful negotiations between the Holy See and the SSPX. Many good things are happening! God be praised!

Why do you call those who adhere to the SSPX "Lefebvrists?" Do you call people who attend Masses celebrated by Jesuit priests "Jesuites"? Of course not. And would you refer to an Anglican - or other truly schismatic - "Bishop" by his surname, as you do with Bishop Fellay. Watch out, your bigotry is showing...

The comments made by Francis represent the issue here. The idea that the pre-Vatican II Church and the post-Vatican II Church are two different Churches is at bottom heretical. Benedict has many times stressed the unbroken tradition of Catholicism pre and post Vatican II. Such ideas are equivalent to the liberal view that the pre-Vatican II Church and her liturgical tradition was somehow not authentically Catholic. What we should be praying for is the kind of unity the Holy Spirit calls for through the teaching office of the Vicar of Christ, the Pope.

Oh yes, this should be the standard. I want a group of people who perennially remind everyone else just how much more catholic they are to be celebrated. Maybe next time I attend my Bugnini, Marxist, Hippie Mass I will sit there and say: "Wow, you know what, I have got it all wrong." "Maybe I should ask Bishop Fellay how to become a good catholic..."

Why does your site perpetuate the myth of "Lefebvrism"? The Confraternity and its faithful laity are Roman Catholics who hold fast to the Sacred Traditions of The Church as true Catholics have always done. The label you and many others employ suggests ignorance and even hostility. Thankfully SSPX existed in time to protect those of us who wanted The Holy Mass in Latin and all the other Sacraments in their customary form. Looking at how divided and confused most modern Catholics are today about their faith, according to church-conducted surveys & voting patterns in the USA, the sooner the church restores the traditional Sacraments to their normal forms and proclaims The Faith clearly as she used to, the sooner we will see an end to the multiple scandals of hierarchical division, sexual perversion and a plethora of financial crimes that are crippling her & her public image at present.

I attend a SSPX chapel and I urge Bishop Fellay to be extremely careful in the Society's negotiations with the Vatican. The priests of Campos, Brazil were compromised and ultimately destroyed. If the good bishop caves in to Rome he can expect a mass exodus of the faithful to other traditional Mass sites. Please be steadfast in protecting the values of the Society's founder, Archbishop Marcel Lefevbre.

We have also been asked to pray daily one Memorare and one St. Michael's prayer for fruitful doctrinal discussions. Please join us. God bless.

How can the Catholic Church introduce evil or teach evil? It can't, because its operations are based on the authority of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, Vatican II and all of the evils and doctrinal errors it brought forth are not from God. It is unfortunate that Bishop Fellay can't realize that he is dealing with non-Catholics, including the so-called Benedict XVI going back to Roncalli. Wake up people, Our Lady of LaSalette and Our Lady of Fatima has warned us of this colossal apostasy which will begin at the top. Bishop Fellay and his associates are leading many Catholics down the path to hell.

Sorry Francis, we already have a pope. Vatican II was called by a legitimate pope who was elected properly and the documents were ratified by Pope John and Pope Paul VI. The last two popes have acknowledged the documents. Therefore, those who dismiss Vatican II must think that the church has been in apostasy for 44 years plus - I think not. Take up your arguments with the Holy Spirit - or better yet - with the "Spirit of Vatican II" people who caused all the trouble with the proper interpretation.

How many people that "bash" a lawful and legitimate Council of the Church have read the doccuments of the "bashed" Council?

Our prayers are with Bishop Fellay and the SSPX. However, I seem to recall that Our Lord told Sister Lucia that until Russia is consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary that both the Church and of course the World will fall into ruin. So the necessary requirement towards the Church turning away from Apostacy and error is the consecration of Russia. It will be that consecration that undoes the devils plans. In the meantime the SSPS holding fast to tradition and the faith whole and unadulterated needs our prayers to at least maintain some sort of stability and perseverance until then. Surely, the Rosary Crusade initiated by both Bishop Fellay and Fr. Gruner, along with other prayers for the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart, I have no doubt that right now Hell is in a conundrum or sorts, realizing that their time is running out. Watch shortly by spring what a few million Rosary's are capable of doing.

I pray that they are officially welcomed very soon. They will strengthen the Church Greatly! They will help turn the tide on the Modernist secular nightmare we are living in. They will be strong supporters of the Holy Father,and not adversaries. They will bring vision back to so many Dioceses.They will help to keep churches open and NOT Close them or label them worship sites. In a word they will be CATHOLIC in DEED and WORD. A refreshing change.

discussions will bring about a return to Pre Vatican II Catholic <<<<< please ,catholic vatican l l has nothing to do with pre vatican l l Thank you

A prayer comes to mind, frequently quoted by one of the protagonists of the Society of St Pius X in the discussions on another blog : Oremus pro Pontifice nostro Benedicto, Dominus conservet eum et vivificet eum et beatum faciat eum in terra et non tradat eum in animam inimicorum eius.

I could not agree more. Although I don't belong to the SSPX, I have recently found a wonderful Traditional parish (FSSP)that celebrates in the ancient rite and it has literally changed my life, brought me alive spiritually. This FSSP priest is a treasurehouse of spiritual guidance, and the liturgy takes me out of this world. Whereas I used to get glassy eyed at(the Novus Ordo) Mass, Sunday High Mass has become the center and focus of my week. Let's end this petulant snit of the progressives and reunite the SSPX with the body of the Church. It is a reunion that will bring us much richness; meanwhile, the dialogue now opening between Rome and the SSPX is bound to shed the light of day upon the excesses of Vatican II and the errors that succeeded the Council.

I trust Bishop Fellay to continue to uphold the fullness of the Dogmas of the Catholic Church without compromising the position of the SSPX to accept the masonic, Protestant, and modernist liberal novelties of Vatican II. Let us pray the Rosary for fruitful doctrinal discussions between the Vatican and the SSPX which I believe will begin on Oct 26. Let us pray also that these discussions will bring about a return to Pre Vatican II Catholic tradition, Orthodoxy, dogma, and the return of the true Mass to the whole Church.