Bishop Soto’s defense of Church teaching at gay ministry conference draws attendees’ ire
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Most Rev. Jamie Soto, Coadjutor Bishop of Sacramento

.- Jaime Soto, the coadjutor bishop of Sacramento, addressed the National Association of Catholic Diocesan Lesbian and Gay Ministries conference in Long Beach, California on September 18. While noting that marriage is not the "sole domain of love," he also reiterated the Church’s teaching that homosexual acts are sinful. During his talk, several audience members walked out while Bishop Soto received hostile responses from many in the audience afterward.

The bishop’s address began by challenging the belief that Jesus "always gave people what they wanted" and was an "agreeable person." He noted the exchange between Jesus and Simon Peter in Matthew 16, where Jesus says "You are thinking not as God does, but as human beings do."

"Jesus does not give in to the expectations of Peter or the expectations of others," Bishop Soto explained. "He has firmly planted in his heart the expectations and desires of his Father in heaven. He says ‘no’ to Peter and challenges Peter to take up a greater ‘yes,’ to take up his cross and follow him."

The bishop also referenced St. Paul’s phrase "do not conform yourselves to this age," noting the human capacity to think that Jesus is "too unrealistic, too unreasonable," and to convince ourselves that "we know better than the Lord."

Such habits, the bishop said, are evident today in the area of sexuality, about which many of us have a "distorted sense."

"Sexuality has been reduced to a matter of personal preference and personal pleasure without responsibility and with little respect for others. We can lose sight of the profound dignity of the human person who shares in God’s love and creative work through the chaste expression of one’s sexuality proper to one’s calling in life. "

Bishop Soto criticized the "contraceptive culture" that reduces the procreative act to "simple recreation absolved of any responsibility." He also explained the Church’s support for the California ballot’s Proposition 8, which would overturn the California Supreme Court’s decision earlier this year instituting same-sex marriage.

"The nature of love has been distorted," the bishop continued. "Many popular notions have deviated from its true destiny. Love for many has come to mean having sex. If you cannot have sex than you cannot love. This is the message. Even more destructive is the prevailing notion that sex is not an expression of love. Sex is love."

He said this view "deprives sexuality of its true meaning" and hampers the possibility of "ever knowing real love."

Sexual intercourse, he explained, is "a beautiful expression of God’s love" when it is understood "as a unique expression intended to share in the creative, faithful love of God." Referencing Pope Benedict XVI’s encyclical Deus Caritas Est, he said that when sexual intercourse ceases to be an icon of God’s "creative, unifying love" it becomes "impoverished" and "demeans the human person."

Bishop Soto then lauded the virtue of chastity, calling it "the path that brings us to that harmony with God’s wisdom and love" and a thing that "moves us beyond one’s desire to what God wills for each one of us."

This is true, he said, also for men and women who are homosexual.

"Let me be clear here," the bishop stated. "Sexual intercourse, outside of the marriage covenant between a man and a woman, can be alluring and intoxicating but it will not lead to that liberating journey of true self-discovery and an authentic discovery of God. For that reason, it is sinful."

While same-sex relations can be "alluring" for homosexuals, it "deviates from the true meaning of the act and distracts them from the true nature of love to which God has called us all."

Acknowledging the "beautiful, heroic expression" of married love, he added, "Marriage is also not the sole domain of love as some of the politics would seem to imply." Love includes "the deep and chaste love of committed friends" as well as the love of religious and clergy, the bonds between Christians, and the love between family members.

"Should we dismiss or demean the human and spiritual significance of these lives given in love?" He asked rhetorically.

"We hope and pray that all people, including our brothers and sisters who are homosexuals, will see the reasonableness of our position and the sincerity of our love for them," the bishop continued, closing with an exhortation to the audience "to be drawn into the ways and the manners of Jesus."

Two conference attendees told the California Catholic Daily that they witnessed Bishop Soto "courageously but gently" give a clear presentation of Catholic teaching on sexuality. They report at least five members of the audience walked out during the bishop’s address, while only a very small number applauded the bishop at the conclusion of his speech.

When the conference chairman announced the bishop would answer questions at a reception held in another room, members of the audience reportedly made widespread shows of disapproval and said they wanted to respond immediately.

Bishop Soto then interacted with respondents.

About eight audience members expressed their unhappiness with what the bishop had said. One woman reportedly commented that the audience knew what the Church teaches but wanted to hear about the value of the "lived experience" of lesbian women and gay men.

Two other speakers, one man and one woman, thanked the bishop for his address and voiced agreement with his remarks.

While the audience members responded to the bishop’s remarks, the California Catholic Daily says, one board member of the National Association of Catholic Diocesan Lesbian and Gay Ministries approached one of the tables in the room and said "On behalf of the board, I apologize. We had no idea Bishop Soto was going to say what he said."

The California Catholic Daily claims that the Berkeley-based National Association of Catholic Diocesan Lesbian and Gay Ministries has the reputation of taking "at best, an ambiguous stance" on issues concerning same-sex attraction and homosexual acts.

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Subscriber comments:
Published by: Melinda Quimson
Manila, Philippines 02/15/2009 08:55 PM EST
That we would be blessed with more religious and lay people such as Bishop Soto who go swim against what is popular rather than float in the tide of relativism.We need more courageous leaders like him in our church today just like Pope Benedict the XVI.God bless them all.
Published by: shirley beyer
Hilo,Hawaii 10/12/2008 01:27 PM EST
My hopes is for more,
"Bishops" like Bishop
Soto, to speak the true word of "God". He
did'nt condem no one,
but only to speak, the
truth. It's not impossible, for "God"
to take evil, and turn
it into good. Everything, is possible
with him. The biggest
problem, is homosexuals, is showing
the younger generation, that's ok
to be homsexual. Look at what happened to
Sodom and Gomorah. The
"Holy Scriptures" tells
you, a man should not
lay with another man,
such as same with a
woman. I only can hope,
that good, will triumph
over evil.
Published by: Anna
Angier, NC , USA 10/02/2008 08:21 AM EST
I pray that MORE bishops, priests and other religious will be true to The Faith and ALL Her Teachings and will NOT be afraid to speak the Truth. God Bless Bishop Soto! Please know that event hough some are condemming you, there are others who are lifting you up in prayer! Please continue to be strong for Our Faith! We need MORE true witnesses!
Published by: Barb
IN/USA 10/01/2008 08:37 AM EST
It is past time to end "dialogue". Dialogue has been the tool used by the unfaithful to push for their "new" church ideas.

The teachings of the Church are unchangeable. Those who believe that dialogue can change them do not believe in the immutability of God or His laws.

Fiat Voluntas Tua
Published by: Wally
San Antonio 09/30/2008 01:29 PM EST
Rate: Bad
The Catholic teaching on homosexuality is not in question...Was Bishop Soto's "defense" really necessary? Such a "defense" does not facilitate community, an essential tenet of the Catholic tradition.

To facilitate dialogue, the Bishop ought to have invited gays/lesbians to dialogue about their experience of homosexual love, while offering his own experience of love. These experiences would then serve as a foundation to talk about the Catholic experience of love as revealed in Scripture and tradition.

Are Catholics afraid of hearing about homosexual love?
Published by: Rev. John A. Leies, S.M.
San Antonio TX, USA 09/29/2008 08:50 PM EST
Rate: Very Good
I congratulate Bishop Soto for his clear and courageous presentation of Church teaching. The truth needs to be said--and repeated--even when the audience is reluctant to hear it.
Published by: Geoffrey
Austin/TX/USA 09/29/2008 04:55 PM EST
Rate: Good
"If 12th Century biology is correct about human biology and genetics, then the Bishop is 100% correct. If objective science has a different biological anthropology which has evolved at all then it may throw the Theology into question. Too bad this topic is too politically motivated to seek a true dialogue between modern science and theology."

I love it when someone deals the "objective science" trump card. This argument contains nothing more than the naturalistic fallacy. You cannot derive a moral "ought" from a physical "can."

The truth is, whether or not homosexuality is wrong has nothing to do with science, and everything to do with philosophy.

The ancient Romans, having ancient biology, practiced homosexuality openly. And the Christians, having no knowledge at all, preached against the Romans.

The medievals considered homosexuality a sin. Victorian scientists, with pointed spectacles and atheistic fantasies, denounced it as a societal abomination. However, the modern, relying on his emotivist philosophy, regards sexual deviation as a virtue of sorts.

Technology may progress linearly, but certainly not morality. Some of the most depraved societies ever to exist were also the most advanced.

Regarding a genetic predisposition to homosexuality, it doesn't affect the morality.
Published by: Ethel
Bismarck,ND 09/29/2008 03:53 PM EST
Rate: Very Good
God bless the brave Bishop.What a major blessing he is to our Church, the state of California and our country.I hope the other Bishops notice and realize this is what they also should be saying!!God bless Bishop Soto!!!
Published by: Tota
Thousand Oaks, CA 09/29/2008 03:40 PM EST
WOW - as a single female who has lost a long term love interest due to my vow of chastity, as appropriate to my state in life - it is so exciting to hear a "young" Bishop proclaim the truth.
Published by: Ancilla Campos
Toronto, Ontario, Canada 09/29/2008 02:27 PM EST
Kudos to Bishop Soto for being a remarkable shepherd... we need more leaders to display moral fortitude in the Roman colliseum.
Published by: Gil Haar
Millbrae, CA USA 09/29/2008 02:08 PM EST
I echo the comments of those who appreciate this rara avis---a Bishop who preaches the Gospel.

BTW, one error in the story: It's Jaime Soto, not Jamie.
Published by: Brian
Indianapolis, IN, USA 09/29/2008 02:00 PM EST
Hold on. SO what if, as you claim, "the gay movement does not seek dialogue". Aren't there legitimate sentiments of justice, however misguided? As for calling a sin a sin, how about neo-nazi skinheads who throw eggs, stones, and dung? If we were to just congratulate the bishop, then we should stick to congratulating him. Let's not demonize the Other and let's not pretend that We are immune to intolerant hatred. Otherwise, how else can they actually hear "love the sinner, hate the sin"?
Published by: Michael
Springdale, AR 09/29/2008 01:34 PM EST
Cheers for Bishop Soto!
Published by: Hope
VA/USA 09/29/2008 01:14 PM EST
Rate: Excellent
How can there be an organizationg called National Association of CATHOLIC Diocesan Lesbian and Gay Ministries- when they apologize for a bishop or any good Catholic speaking out on the truth about homosexual acts - the truth the CATHOLIC Church teaches?

PLEASE dissolve this group, or at least remove Catholic from the title - because it is NOT Catholic in reality.
Published by: Peter Gallagher
Brisbane Australia 09/29/2008 12:30 PM EST
Whilst many Catholics in Australia assume that the Catholic Church in America is full of doctrinally insipid bishops, it is wonderful to see Bishop Soto standing by the Catholic teachings on sexuality. What on earth is the National Association of Catholic Diocesan Lesbian and Gay Ministries? ... Wouldn't go down well in the Australian Church.
Published by: Gordon
Port colborne,Ont.,Canada 09/29/2008 10:14 AM EST
For those suffering from same sex attraction,it is a tremendous cross to bear;however,the Church founded by Christ is the piller and foundation of truth and Christ said that whoever hears you hears Me-whoever rejects you rejects me.Our fellow catholics need our prayers and not our approval desperately.
Published by: Ann
Boston MA 09/29/2008 08:05 AM EST
A courageous Truth-speaker is Bishop Soto - and he is to be indeed commended...Now more than ever Christ's church needs people such as he is, who are most concerned with the truth as Jesus spoke it rather than peer/colleague acceptance or "popularity"!!! HUGE KUDOS to one who is obviously trying to be holy, rather than "modern".
Published by: Steve Williams
Grand Rapids, MI.USA 09/28/2008 08:29 PM EST
Rate: Excellent
Good for the Bishop!!!
Published by: Pattie
Gettysburg, PA, USA 09/28/2008 07:05 PM EST
I am amazed that people would expect the Bishop to say anything less than what he said. He proclaimed the truth of the Catholic Church's Stance on Sex outside of marriage. We need to all start standing up and lovingly proclaim the truth even if it means making people upset. Political correctness is getting our nation and our world in a terrible mess. It is our responsibility to speak the truth and teach as Jesus did that a sin is a sin and calling it something else will not get you to heaven.
Published by: Dan in Calgary
Calgary Alberta Canada 09/28/2008 06:46 PM EST
I am grateful that there are still clergy like Bishop Jamie Soto, who has the courage to go into the lion's den to speak the truth.

Dan in Calgary
Published by: John Patrick Joseph Bertolucci
Catskill, New York 09/28/2008 06:22 PM EST
The USCCB should order the National Association to remove the title "Catholic" as they do not officially conform to the teachings of the Magisterium.
Published by: Duane Bambusch
Indio, CA, Riverside Cty 09/28/2008 04:25 PM EST
I applaud Bishop Soto for his courageous stance and clearly articulating the Church’s teaching. We need more like him.
Published by: ded
detroit/mi/usa 09/28/2008 02:08 PM EST
There should be more of this. Even when the teachings of the church are given in a clear way along with explanations of the 'why' behind the issue, there will always be those who will be 'offended' and pull the intolerance card from the deck. It's funny to see the same people who shout intolerance become completely intolerant when their warped views are not accepted by the church. The teachings of the church are accountable to sound reason, sacred scripture, sacred tradition, and Jesus Christ. Those who propose teachings that are outside of what the Church of Jesus Christ teaches are accountable to their own personal views, debased
philosophy, and unreasonable arguments based on cultural influences.
Published by: steven
Boston 09/28/2008 12:53 PM EST
I am proud of Bishop Soto's stance. There must be no quibbling when it comes to the truth about human life and sexuality. He appeared to have given this lecture with deep love and compassion and only the hardened hearts will fail to see the love behind these words. I pray that this will be the beginning of speaking the truth in love because only the "truth will set us free"
Published by: Jason Yarbrough
Spartanburg SC 09/28/2008 11:50 AM EST
It is not for the board to apologize for the Bishop's remarks. Once again we see that the gay movement does not seek diologue. Once again, as one audience member stated, we must accept and acknowledge their sinfullness as something of value. Additionally, if the board would have the audacity to profer an apology for the Bishop's words, I think they should be honest enough to recognize their mission is outside the teaching of the Church and therefore cease calling themselves Catholic. They clearly intend nothing less than confusion on these issues.
Published by: Jakob
Providence/RI/ USA 09/28/2008 10:12 AM EST
Rate: Bad
If 12th Century biology is correct about human biology and genetics, then the Bishop is 100% correct. If objective science has a different biological anthropology which has evolved at all then it may throw the Theology into question. Too bad this topic is too politically motivated to seek a true dialogue between modern science and theology.
Published by: Kathy
Chicago 09/28/2008 10:11 AM EST
Rate: Excellent
None of us, at times, want to hear how we are called, by God, to live our lives. It is very painful to face how self-centered we can be. Life is hard. It is hard for everyone. We all must make sacrifices. Some sacrifices are harder to make than others. All that being said, God bless Bishop Soto. It cannot be easy getting up in front of a hostile crowd. He can be comforted in knowing that Jesus did the same thing and, in speaking before this group, he was following in the footsteps of the Lord.
Published by: Brian
Indianapolis, IN, USA 09/28/2008 08:11 AM EST
I appreciate the bishop's speech.
Published by: Ray
Long Branch NJ USA 09/27/2008 10:07 PM EST
Thank you to Bishop Soto! What is a Catholic Association without Christ’s Truth. Homosexuality is being driven into our youth and confusing people into Eros (selfish love). We as a society need more Catholics to stand up like Bishop Soto. The board member that apologized should be removed. Leadership is important in this time of a culture of death. I applaud Bishop Soto for his speaking of the Truth.
Published by: Mariadevotee
Tennessee 09/27/2008 08:20 PM EST
God bless Bishop Soto for speaking the Truth. I pray that he converted hearts with his talk.
Published by: Robert Rice
New Hartford, CT, USA 09/27/2008 07:09 PM EST
God love the Bishop for preaching the Gospel truth with Love, as Christ dies. In return he was derided adn received hostile comments from the crowd, also the way Christ is opposed when the truth intersects the Godless society. It's all about personal pride.
Published by: T. Guerra
Forney, TX USA 09/27/2008 04:07 PM EST
I completely agree with what Bishop Soto said and commend him for his courageous speech.
Published by: Paul Ballard
San Fran, CA, USA 09/27/2008 02:15 PM EST
God bless you, Bishop Soto!
Published by: Gabriel Austin
Los Alamos NM USA 09/27/2008 01:33 PM EST
Gore Vidal explained the success of his 40 year friendship with his partner: "No sex".
Published by: Becky
Beaverton/OR/USA 09/27/2008 12:22 PM EST
I am so grateful to God for this courageous bishop! He spoke the truth when it was not convenient, out of true love for those struggling with same-sex attraction. May God grant, to those who heard his words, a realization of the wisdom of them. May God also continue to bless Bishop Soto with courage and wisdom.
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