Experts question scientist’s claim of reproducing Shroud of Turin
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Dr. John P. Jackson / The Shroud of Turin

.- An Italian scientist is claiming to have re-created the burial cloth believed to have covered the crucified body of Jesus, called the Shroud of Turin.  However, CNA spoke with experts who maintain that there are still several major differences between the new shroud and the ancient one.

According to Reuters, Luigi Garlaschelli, an organic chemistry professor at the University of Pavia announced that he and his team “have shown it is possible to reproduce something which has the same characteristics as the Shroud.”  The scientist plans to present his findings at a conference on the paranormal this weekend in Italy.

The Shroud of Turin is considered by many to bear an image of the face of Jesus Christ. Made of herring bone linen, the shroud is nearly four feet by 14 feet and bears faint brown discolorations forming the negative image of a crucified man.

The shroud’s positive image, revealed by modern photography, shows the outline of a bearded man.  While skeptics contend that the shroud is a medieval forgery, scientists have been unable to explain how the image appeared on the cloth.

Garlaschelli and his team, who were funded by an Italian association of atheists and agnostics, created their image by placing the linen over a volunteer before rubbing it with a pigment called ochre with traces of acid.

The linen was then “aged” by heating it in an oven and washing it with water.  Reuters reports that the team then added blood stains, burn holes and water stains to finalize their product.

CNA spoke with Dr. John Jackson who runs the Turin Shroud Center of Colorado and is a physics lecturer at the University of Colorado at Colorado Springs.  Jackson led a team of 30 researchers in 1978 who determined that the shroud was not painted, dyed or stained.  He explained to CNA that that based off the Reuters report as well as photos of Garlaschelli’s shroud on the internet, it appeared that it doesn’t exactly match the Shroud of Turin.

Dr. Jackson first questioned the technique used by Garlaschelli’s team, taking issue with the method of adding blood after aging the cloth.  Jackson explained that he has conducted “two independent observations that argue that the blood features on the shroud” show “that the blood was on it first, then the body image came second.”

Dr. Keith Propp, a physicist who is also a colleague of Jackson's, told CNA that while Garlaschelli’s shroud “does create an image that could’ve been done in medieval times,” there are a many things that “are not consistent with what the actual shroud shows us.”

For example, he continued, we know that the blood contacted the shroud before the body “because there’s no image beneath the shroud.”  He added that this image pattern would be difficult to duplicate “because it would ruin the blood stains.”

Another area concern for the scientists is the three dimensionality of the shroud. 

Propp explained that while Garlaschelli’s cloth does have some aspects of light and dark to create a three-dimensional perspective, “it’s nowhere near as sophisticated as the shroud” and that “it misses out on the accuracy and subtleties that are in the actual image.”

Dr. Jackson from the Turin Shroud Center also touched on the same point, saying, “The shroud’s image intensity varies with” the distances in between the cloth and the body.  While he admitted that the images of Garlaschelli’s shroud on the internet look authentic, when taken from a 3-D perspective, “it’s really rather grotesque.”

“The hands are embedded into the body and the legs have unnatural looking lumps and bumps,” he explained.

Jackson noted that he or his colleagues would be open to testing the Garlaschelli shroud or any other “idea about the shroud relative to the scientific characteristics that have been documented in respect to the shroud,” however to do so they would need “more detailed information about what was specifically done.”

Garlachelli’s technique has also received criticism from other experts.  One scientist from the Shroud Science Group, a private forum of about 100 scientists, historians and researchers provided CNA with some of the critiques made in the forum.

One English-speaking expert explained that the blood used on the Shroud of Turin is not whole blood.  “They didn't just go out and kill a goat and paint the blood on the cloth.  The blood chemistry is very specific,” he said explaining that the blood is from “actual wounds.”

He added that most of the blood on the shroud flowed after death. “The side wound and the blood that puddles across the small of the back are post-mortem blood flows,” he said, adding that blood flowing after death “shows a clear separation of blood and serum.”

Propp added, “In some ways, it comes out better than most others I’ve seen before.  Still there are too many things – the shroud is more than just the image.”

Jackson also pointed out that Garlaschelli’s findings have yet to be peer reviewed.  What scientists need “to do is present their work for publication before their peers.”  

He explained that any person can conduct his or her own research, but it doesn’t matter whether or not the author believes his or her hypothesis was proven. In the end, what the scientific community decides “upon seeing and reviewing the work” is what counts, he said.

Pope Benedict has announced that the Shroud will be open for public viewing in 2010 and that he is planning to visit the image at some point during its exposition.

The Catholic Church has not taken an official position on the authenticity of the Shroud of Turin.

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Published by: Robin
Mesa AZ 01/18/2010 06:02 PM EST
Has the DNA on this blood on the cloth been mapped? If you got the DNA and cloned it would it be Jesus?
Published by: L.
Warwick, RI USA 10/09/2009 06:51 AM EST
Atheists, when they die, are all dressed up with no place to go.
Published by: Br. Lynch Flores
Philippines 10/08/2009 11:49 PM EST
In the past there have been many attempts to disprove the authenticity of the Shroud. Many have tried and many have failed. The Shroud in itself is not a matter of faith. It does not matter whether it is authentic or not. As for me, I believe it really is a testament of Jesus' love for us. Science will always deal with matters of faith. As I see it, there maybe a real reason why many people hate the shroud and it is something that we should look at. There is a hidden agenda for this. As for me, I believe The Shroud is the burial cloth of Our Lord and all these could not have just been a coincidence. The mere fact that many wants to disprove it proves that it is something worth our time. I just find it funny, why all these claims arouse now that it is to be exposed again? The Shroud of Turin - "Portrait of Love written in Blood"
Published by: psalm
Detroit/MI 10/08/2009 03:18 PM EST
Let's just see how this plays out. There have been errors made in the past with carbon dating a tainted section of the shroud. I wish they would carbon date it again. One last thing. The ability to recreate the shroud does not logically lead to the original being a fake. It could cast doubt for sure on the authenticity of the shroud. However, you can't automatically make the leap to man made forgery without further evidence.
Published by: David Pokrywka
Frankfort,KY USA 10/08/2009 09:48 AM EST
While I was student at Western Connecticut State College in Danbury,Ct during the late 1970's threads of the Shroud were sent for testing. The people doing the testing made great pains to let people know they were impartial. After testing, they let us know that even if it was genuine,jp mortal man is not allowed to look upon the face of God.
Published by: Dan Mattimore
Buffalo, NY USA 10/08/2009 08:05 AM EST
Good to have more attention focused on the Shroud. The debate soon to come after its showing is at least likely to cause some people to wonder about a possible supernatural cause. In an age awash in evolutionary materialism, such interest could be a positive.
Published by: Leonard
San Antonio, Texas 10/08/2009 01:20 AM EST
Calm down Fate from Texas! Relax...I know the difference between athiesm and agnosticism and I don't hate anybody. It's interesting that you would contend that we are stereotypically classifying atheists and agnostics and in the same breath you group all of us together as hypocritical, ignorant and that we follow a blind faith? Hmmm...that's extremely ironic isn't it? For the record, I believe all are my brothers & sisters in Christ whether they realize it or not and I pray everyday for all of us as we sojourn this life.
Published by: abucs
Cebu 10/07/2009 11:32 PM EST
If someone has found, or will find, a way to represent the Shroud then of course it should be open to public scrutiny and accepted. But if it turns out again to be another case where the replica is not even close then it certainly makes one ask why the best universities in the world today can't create such an image yet an unknown 'artist' 700 years ago could. ??
Published by: Robert Okraszewski
Pittsburgh Pa. USA 10/07/2009 09:45 PM EST
Trying to disprove the validity of the Shroud of Turin by a group of atheists and agnostics is ubsurd to start with. A bumper sticker once put it into proper perspective saying "Atheists wouldn't exist if there were no God" Faith exists past the point where human reason fails us. Keep the faith!!
Published by: Robert Okraszewski
Pittsburgh Pa. USA 10/07/2009 09:44 PM EST
Trying to disprove the validity of the Shroud of Turin by a group of atheists and agnostics is ubsurd to start with. A bumper sticker once put it into proper perspective saying "Atheists wouldn't exist if there were no God" Faith exists past the point where human reason fails us. Keep the faith!!
Published by: Mark O'Neill
Preston, CT/USA 10/07/2009 08:55 PM EST
I've read the accounts of scientists who claim carbon dating puts the cloth as originating in the 1500's, and I've read this recent, so called, study, by a group fronted by atheists. I've also read counter arguments. The arguments that the shroud is real win out, for me, and not because I just want it to be so. But, as a sort of aside, it's interesting to note that the face on the shroud matches the face on the Divine Mercy painting of Christ, perfectly. When Sister Faustina commissioned a painting to depict her vision of Jesus, the artist could not have been working from a negative image of the shroud. I saw the exhibition of the study of the shroud in CT in the late 70's. I believe it's the burial cloth of Christ.
Published by: Mark
Edison/NJ/USA 10/07/2009 08:32 PM EST
The burning frustrating anger that brews within atheists to prove that there is no God is just further proof that they believe there is a God. Just say "God Bless You" when they sneeze and there is a violent reaction. Throughout my life thousands of prayers have been answered. There is nothing anyone could create that would make me an unbeliever.
Published by: Dani
St. Louis, MO 10/07/2009 07:29 PM EST
I am fascinated by the Shroud of Turin and am very much an atheist. If you go to shoud.com, one can find hundreds of experiments and observations made about the shroud over the years. It's also amusing to read the personal biases from some of the "scientists." (The most blatant example I can think of is an "autopsy" of the man of the shroud, concluding that this must be the shroud of JC because nobody else in the history of the world was ever crucified in this manner). With regard to Mr. Garlaschelli's experiment - from what I can tell, the formed image lacks a lot of the fine detail present on the shroud of Turin. The image looks choppy, not smooth, and I would bet that this image is much thicker than the Turin shroud image (which is unimaginably thin). It also makes one wonder why someone would invent such an image-forming technology, use it only once, and never document it. A valuable skill like that would have made an artist a mint during those days. My somewhat educated opinion on the matter is that the shroud image was formed by natural processes, perhaps some chemical reaction with ammonia, dirt, oils, sweat, etc. That said, the uniqueness of the image and the obvious human suffering that led to its creation is simultaneously fascinating, horrifying, and moving. Also, to DLL: I have a very full life and am generous almost to a fault. Don't demonize good people who don't believe in imaginary friends - it just makes you look foolish and mean.
Published by: Rick
Colorado Springs, CO, USA 10/07/2009 04:33 PM EST
Having personally viewed the Shroud in Torino, Italia in 1978, before I returned to follow Christ and come home to His Church, I believe that it is the real burial cloth of Jesus the Christ. However, whether the Shroud is authentic or not has no real bearing on my faith in God and in Jesus as my Savior. For FATE, I do not hate anyone who goes against my belief in God. I pray that all will come to know God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (2 Tim 2:24). Yes, I believe in faith seeking understanding not most modernists' idea of understanding seeking faith. However, faith is believing in the mystery of God without fully knowing. If you fully "know" then it is no longer faith. From the beginnings of Christianity, the apostles fought against gnosticism because it raised "knowing" as the goal instead of believing. Peace and All Good to All
Published by: Margaret
Baltimore MD USA 10/07/2009 04:13 PM EST
For Jesus and our sake don't do that. Leave well enough alone.
Published by: Francis Xavier T
Washington, D.C. 10/07/2009 03:44 PM EST
I read the article and I smiled. The more this professor tries to prove that God doesn't exist the more he finds himself being called by God. Lord Jesus Christ died on the Cross under the Roman punishment. We found so many Christians called "Roman Catholics" today. Ironically, the Roman Empire has evolved to become Vatican in Rome. Saint Paul became the Apostle and wrote most of the books in the New Testament. Go for it, Professor Luigi Garlaschelli. May God bless you....
Published by: Edward Peffer
Cypress, CA 10/07/2009 03:43 PM EST
I'm 82, was docent at Shroud exhibit in Fountain Valley and have key if you want my tour. Evidence is overwhelming including pollens from Holy Land and forensic medical detail, and more. Also see research on Guadalupe image and mystery as it is not a painting. Faith today may need seeing to believe?
Published by: madeleine7
Marbella Spain 10/07/2009 03:08 PM EST
Amazing how much energy some people spend trying to prove Shroud is not authentic !! I am glad I have no doubts. Truly thank God for the gift of Faith. For all scientific evidence re. Shroud go to www.shroud.com There is scientific evidence of the highest degree on this site. It is really fascinating.
Published by: Fate
Texas 10/07/2009 03:01 PM EST
You people are so ignorant in your utter hatred for anything that goes against your belief system. First off, learn the difference between an athiest and an agnostic before you make you generalized statement condemning them. Second, as an AGNOSTIC, it is not about debunking your faith, it is about looking for evidence in your faith. For you to condemn people for wanting to find proof instead of following blind faith is just annoying. You should welcome the opportuninty to prove a point and just accept when something is disproven. Instead you blame a group of people saying they are trying to convert YOU. That is rather hippocritical if you ask me. P.S. - The Catholic church has never endorsed the Shroud as authentic
Published by: pete
sunnyvale CA USA 10/07/2009 12:35 PM EST
And then there is the POLLEN on the Shroud,which Israeli experts have identified as coming from Jerusalem plants around the city and nowhere else and are 2000yrs old. WASHING the cloth to get the manufactured image would have done away with any such pollen.
Published by: Tom
USA 10/07/2009 11:04 AM EST
Rate: Very Good
I submit that athiest go to such extremes to attempt to disprove the God whom they "just know" does not exist, for the simple reason that they experience that burning and yearning within themselves for God, but try with all of their strength to deny so as to brainwash themselves into thinking that their intellectual powers just couldn't possibly be failing them! After all, they are MAN and are way too intelligent to stoop so low as to have to rely upon FAITH for anything. They can figure it all out simply with reason. But unfortunately, they can't "intellectually" find a way to stop the gnawing that they feel in their gut and in their heart for something greater than themselves! If they were so sure that God did not exist, and did were not experiencing any natural tendencies for God, they wouldn't be wasting so much time and money trying to prove their point! They can't claim the contrary either. We work very hard at bringing others to Christ not to prove a point or to claim a victory, but instead because it's the mission He gave each one who is baptized and so that all can have the hope and opportunity for eternal life with God! Where does the atheist draw people to? "Nothing" is the answer no matter how you slice it!
Published by: Laurie
Canada 10/07/2009 10:16 AM EST
I too find such passion to disprove the Shroud very revealing of an inner uneasiness. However, when you think about it...it is better than indifference. Remember the Lord said it is preferrable to be hot or cold but the lukewarm he would spit out of his mouth. Saul, who had a passionate drive to kill the faith (along with the Christians) was knocked off his high horse and converted. Let's pray this happens to those who are so fervently trying to disclaim. Pray for them.
Published by: Bob
Omaha, NE 10/07/2009 08:53 AM EST
Even if Luigi Garlaschelli comes close to the original Shroud, it took a technology that did not exist in history; neither the time of Jesus, nor the medevil times. So his efforts are really a waste of time, and it proves nothing. Wasn't there a test done on a sample of the blood taken from the Shroud (by permission) and compared to blood taken from one of the Eucharistc miracles and found to be a DNA match?
Published by: Barbara
Shreveport, La. USA 10/07/2009 08:52 AM EST
Those poor agnostics...there is just no limit to what they will do to attempt to disprove the existence of Jesus Christ. I pray for these people and their miserable belief system.
Published by: Jack
New York 10/07/2009 08:02 AM EST
Atheists funding a shroud "debunking," how interesting. I suppose there finding was a foregone conclusion. The image they created has been done before; it is not original. The image they made is not three dimensional and doesn't show some of the inexplicable features of the shroud, including the clearly visible teeth underneath the closed mouth. This a characteristic of an X-ray. I wonder if Garlachelli can explain how medieval "forgers" anticipated X-ray technology some 8 centuries before it existed.
Published by: Kerry
St. Paul, MN, USA 10/07/2009 07:04 AM EST
The oven they used to heat their replica. Was it a wood burning, made of clay at least 1500 year old? Were all their vessels made of ceramic and not glass? Did they put aside their thermometers and gage temperature by eye? Etc, etc. Not to dispute that what they made looks like the original, but it seems to me that they should not have used any modern scientific understanding or equipment in their work.
Published by: ALONSO
France 10/07/2009 04:44 AM EST
On top of the criticisms given by Jackson's staff, one can add that the aging method (heating in an oven and washing with water) is unappropriated, since it is clearly visible that the Shroud could not have been treated in that way, except in the very local spots where the cloth was burnt in 1532. These scorches are clearly identified by Visual and UV examinations, and confirmed by microscopic observations of the fibers status and FTIR analyses. They don't make any contribution to the Body images properties.
Published by: DLL
scituate Mass 10/07/2009 02:24 AM EST
The Shroud is interesting and many have spent long hours of a lifetime devoted to analysis of it. I respect their efforts and all,but the atheists are bothered by all of this. I think that is Really Amusing! Why should they care if the shroud is real or not? Their position is already set in stone,a tombstone, as they will spare no expense to disprove God! They don't want to believe in God! Why? Anything goes when evil becomes a Right,as all moral positions must be eliminated because evil can't become the norm,if anyone believes In Christ and His Holy Catholic Church. A Godless life is an empty life of selfishness and sin.
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