Our Lady of Guadalupe ‘completely beyond' scientific explanation, says researcher
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Dr. Adolfo Orozco at the International Marian Congress on Our Lady of Guadalupe in Glendale, Arizona.

.- Researcher and physicist Dr. Aldofo Orozco told participants at the International Marian Congress on Our Lady of Guadalupe that there is no scientific explanation for the 478 years of high quality-preservation of the Tilma or for the miracles that have occurred to ensure its preservation.

Dr. Orozco began his talk by confirming that the conservation of the Tilma, the cloak of St. Juan Diego on which Our Lady of Guadalupe appeared 478 years ago, “is completely beyond any scientific explanation.”

“All the cloths similar to the Tilma that have been placed in the salty and humid environment around the Basilica have lasted no more than ten years,” he explained.  One painting of the miraculous image, created in 1789, was on display in a church near the basilica where the Tilma was placed.  “This painting was made with the best techniques of its time, the copy was beautiful and made with a fabric very similar to that of the Tilma. Also, the image was protected with a glass since it was first placed there.”

However, eight years later, the copy of the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe was thrown away because the colors were fading and threads were breaking.  In contrast, Orozco said, “the original Tilma was exposed for approximately 116 years without any kind of protection, receiving all the infrared and ultraviolet radiation from the tens of thousands of candles near it and exposed to the humid and salty air around the temple.”

Dr. Orozco then discussed the Tilma’s fabric.  He noted that “one of the most bizarre characteristics of the cloth is that the back side is rough and coarse, but the front side is ‘as soft as the most pure silk, as noted by painters and scientists in 1666, and confirmed one century later in 1751 by the Mexican painter, Miguel Cabrera.”

Following an analysis of some of the fibers in 1946, it was concluded that the fibers came from the Agave plant, however, noted Dr. Orozco, the researchers couldn’t figure out which of the 175 Agave species the Tilma was made from.  Years later, in 1975, “the famous Mexican researcher Ernesto Sodi Pallares said that the species of the agave was Agave popotule Zacc,” Orozco explained, “but we don’t know how he reached this conclusion.”

Before concluding his presentation, Dr. Orozco made mention of two miracles associated with the Tilma. 

The first occurred in 1785 when a worker accidentally spilled a 50 percent nitric acid solvent on the right side of the cloth.  “Besides any natural explanation, the acid has not destroyed the fabric of the cloth, indeed it has not even destroyed the colored parts of the image,” Orozco said.

The second miracle was the explosion of a bomb near the Tilma in 1921.  Dr. Orozco recalled that the explosion broke the marble floor and widows 150 meters from the explosion, but “unexpectedly, neither the Tilma nor the normal glass that protected the Tilma was damaged or broken.”  The only damage near it was a brass crucifix that was twisted by the blast.

He continued, “There are no explanations why the shockwave that broke windows 150 meters afar did not destroy the normal glass that protected the image. Some people said that the Son by means of the brass crucifix protected the image of His Mother. The real fact is that we don’t have a natural explanation for this event.”

Dr. Orozco thanked the audience for listening to his presentation and closed by reassuring them that “Our Lady visited Mexico 478 years ago, but she remains there to give Her Love, Her Mercy and Her Care to anyone who needs it, and to bring Her Son, Jesus Christ to everyone who receives Him.”

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Subscriber comments:
Published by: CarmenMary
NJ 02/09/2010 08:28 AM EST
What's even sadder about the episode of Mrs Clinton visiting the shrine, and asking--twice--who was the artist, was that after she departed from Mexico, she headed straight to California where she received The Margaret Sanger (founder of Planned Parenthood) Award. She called Sanger a real "hero." So, regarding Our Lady, she was completely ignorant, but she made it a point to elevate and gush over Sanger, a woman who was a proponent of Eugenics. Wow, I don't know what else to say about this. It happened last year, but it still boggles the mind. What a world.
Published by: Marguerite B
San Francisco CA 12/15/2009 04:50 PM EST
The beauty of faith is that you can either choose to believe or not to believe. If you believe, all questions are answered as God's will...if you do not..............you only have yourself. For me, I choose to believe in the mysteries of my religion and hope that others find the same solace in the same beliefs. Mother of God be with me now and at the hour of my death; Mary, Oh Mary Queen of the May; Stella Maris guide me always. Who could question Mary's blessings.
Published by: Victor
Pakistan 12/11/2009 09:49 PM EST
JMJ Indeed, God is always with us, just as He promised. I am so pleased to learn that so many people venerate Our Lady through this image. Like the Shroud of Turin, this image is indeed a visible sign that God has left for us all to see. O Mary, Pray for us of have recource to thee!
Published by: Dan Guevara
Sedalia, CO 08/28/2009 11:00 PM EST
God can explain all science but science will not be able to explain God.
Published by: jenny
mumbai, india 08/19/2009 09:41 AM EST
How soul uplifting this miraculous image of Our Lady is. May She continue to bless us all. May people be led to believe in her Son, through the miracles she performs in their lives every day.
Published by: HOPE F.
VA/USA 08/10/2009 04:30 PM EST
Has serious harm come to the picture on the tilma in recent years? I hope not!
Published by: H J Wallace
Winona, MN 08/10/2009 02:59 PM EST
Rate: Bad
As Catholics we need to affirm our belief in the Blessed Virgin Mary. Throw away your "science" issued medications. They are making the pagan masonic pharmaceutical companies rich. Stop going to satanic doctors. Don't go to the emergency room when you're having a heart attack. Instead, PRAY!! PRAYER WORKS. THE ROSARY WORKS. Fight for the Blessed Virgin Mary and show her and almighty God that science is useless.
Published by: Luis
Mexico City 08/10/2009 10:30 AM EST
I would be most grateful to Dr. Orozco if he would check on the actual state of the tilma.
It is suspected serious intentional harm has been inflicted in the last ten years.
As proof of this, the recent movie shows an entirely different and uncomely face.
We have reasons to fear.
Published by: Joseph Aubin
Plattsburgh,N.Y.12901 08/10/2009 09:59 AM EST
Ours Blessed Mother trumps science.
Published by: Roy S. Tenn
Miami, Florida 08/10/2009 09:30 AM EST
The image of Our Lady of Guadalupe was created by God Himself which is why it is indestructible just like the Shroud of Turin both of whom were saved from fire as the Devil tried to have them destroyed.
Published by: LeonG
Brunei 08/10/2009 06:02 AM EST
Without any doubt Our Blessed Lady admonishes us in our days about the catastrophe befalling mankind in his current lamentable condition. In Her apparition at Guadalupe She demonstrates to us how Almighty God has preferred Her in Her Immaculate Conception and Her Glorious Assumption, to be co-redemptrix with Her Most Holy and Divine Son Our Blessed Lord Jesus Christ.

Salve Regina, Mater misericordie...
Published by: Judy Johnson
Wolfforth, TX, USA 08/10/2009 03:08 AM EST
Perhaps, the copy sent to Mrs. Clinton should also state that the reason for Our Lady's visit to Mexico and the Miraculous Image was to stop the killing of thousands of innocent human beings by the pagans of the time....like abortion in our day....
Published by: Susanne Alton
San Diego, CA 08/10/2009 01:31 AM EST
Since God created this image Himself and it cannot be destroyed then this is proof that HE can do ANYTHING! People, can't you believe that HE created Adam not from evolution but how it is stated in the BIBLE?
Published by: Warren Jewell
Hillside Illinois USA 08/10/2009 12:57 AM EST
Mary, Mother of God and Mother to us all,
Show us your Son in all His glory of love
And show us your love to our hearts’ filling.
I bow before you, O my Queen Mother
Only less bowed than I lower myself
Before my God Creator, Savior and King.
Published by: greg williams
Malaysia 08/10/2009 12:11 AM EST
Our blessed mother was sent by God to lead us to her Son , Our Lord & Saviour.Believe!!!
Published by: Teresa
Delaware, USA 08/09/2009 10:29 PM EST
We need her in the Americas now more than ever.
Published by: Barbara Kuehl
Westminster,Co.USA 08/09/2009 10:29 PM EST
It seems that Our Blessed MOther continues to reassure her children that she is ever near and will protect us, and keep us all in the fold of her arms as she told St. Juan Diego. We need her so desperately today, esp, when our beloved churrch and all that we hold dear is under attach. Let us attach ourselves to her and her Son. The days become more and more evil. We need our Mother!
Published by: rr
USA 08/09/2009 09:50 AM EST
The message of the Blessed Mother remains the same. On our knees, pray her Rosary-three mysteries-only, and the Fatima prayer after each decade, and repent of our horrible sins committed against her Son, our Lord and Savior, JESUS CHRIST!
Published by: Imelda Boyd
Ireland 08/09/2009 07:52 AM EST
The image will never be destroyed. It was placed there by God. It's invincible.
Published by: juan j
sunrise, Fl,USA 08/09/2009 07:35 AM EST
in 1985, I visited the Basilica. I had a long list of "favors" to ask Our Lady. I can attest that the "presence" felt there and the experience of the Lord was the greatest gift ever since.
Published by: Hilda Flores
Calexico, CA U S A 08/09/2009 06:46 AM EST
Would like to see this translated into Spanish please....
Published by: S.Chen
Caribbean 08/09/2009 06:07 AM EST
Mary, the cultural icon builds structure. She strengthens my faith. It is beyond science!
Published by: Mariastella
Sliema,Malta Europe. 08/09/2009 03:46 AM EST
My only wish is to visit and see this beautiful painting from Heaven of our Mother the Virgin Mary.Amen
Published by: Walter obonyo
Nairobi, Kenya 08/09/2009 02:57 AM EST
Truly a confirmation of Our Lord's love for us through the Blessed Mother as a Mediatrix for us in this sinful world. All the Atheists should read this.
Published by: Barry
Albany/Western australia/ Australia 08/08/2009 11:52 PM EST
I've often thought it would be a good idea to compose a list of miracles and inexplicable events attributed to Divine intervention; Miracles such as the Tilma, that cannot be explained away, miracles fully supported by physical evidence and scientific proof. In this faithless age it would be a handy resource to support people's faith and an obstacle to those attacking the Faith out of malice and bigotry.
Published by: David
San Antonio, Texas 08/08/2009 09:45 PM EST
I personally am doubtful about the image and the story. I've been to the Basilica in Mexico City and I frankly witnessed what seemed to be a great deal of superstitious behavior. I'm a devout Catholic with unwavering fidelity to the Churches teachings. Of course belief that the image is beyond scientific explanation is not doctrine. I have no doubt that our Lady is the Patroness of the Americas, but I wonder if pride might be clouding the judgment of many folks who want to cling to the idea of Our Lady of Guadalupe. Mother Mary, please pray for us!
Published by: John
United States 08/08/2009 07:10 PM EST
With all due respect to the good doctor, I believe the incident with the muratic acid was even more miraculous: part of the tilma was damaged but "healed" on its own.

There are many other miracles, too. One is that the image isn't in the fibers. It floats. They can pass a laser beam between the fibers and the image.

If you read Spanish, look at apologetica.org, or if you read French, salve-regina.com.

Viva la Virgen de Guadalupe!
Published by: Herman Misquitta
Melbourne, Vic., Australia 08/08/2009 06:37 PM EST
I read the article about Our Lady of Guadalupe and was fascinated with the report. My wife and I have in the last 10 years made pilgrimages to Our Lady's shrines at Lourdes, Fatima, Garabandal, and Medugorje. I sincerely hope to make a pilgrimage to Guadalupe one day. Unfortunately I am not a young man any more but Our Lady will help me I'm sure. I place my trust in Her.
Published by: Daniel
Canada 08/08/2009 04:05 PM EST
There's a unconfirmed scientific find that claims that the ink does not actually touch the cloth. Wish i could ask Dr. Orozco if this is true.
Published by: MICHAEL MCDONOUGH
WEST COVINA, CALIF. 08/08/2009 02:40 PM EST
This is absolutely true--A MIRACLE THAT CAN ONLY COME FROM GOD!!OUR LADY OF QUADALUPE DID APPEAR IN MEXICO!!MAY ALL CHRISTIANS COME TO BELIEVE IN THIS FACT...
Published by: Sherry Dib
Sandia Park, N.M. 08/08/2009 01:27 PM EST
There are many, many miraculous mysteries about the Tilma. For those interested, one of the best books about this apparition & Tilma is:
A HANDBOOK ON GUADALUPE
by Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate. Printed by Park Press
Published by: Jorge Munuzuri
Queretaro/Qro/Mexico 08/08/2009 01:21 PM EST
It seems to me that Nican Mopohua tell us the first one able to see the image was Fray Juan de Zumarraga and of course afterwards everybody could see it.
Published by: Brad Farr
Littleton, Colorado, USA 08/08/2009 01:18 PM EST
An excellent book describing Our Lady of Guadalupe is available at amazon and many other publishers:
A Handbook on Guadalupe (Paperback)
by Francis Mary (Editor)
ISBN 0-9652044-2-1
Published by: pete
sunnyvale Ca USA 08/08/2009 12:47 PM EST
And that is just for starters. There are so many unexplainable facts about this Tilma, THE MORE discovered in the last 30yrs by ADDITIONAL scientific examinations only possible because of modern technology.Then there is the inconstestable fact that 9million Indians who didn't speak Spanish DEMANDED BAPTISM from the priests who had VERY LITTLE progress in converting them. This happened JUST BECAUSE THE NATIVES SAW THE TILMA! And this happened WITHIN TEN YEARS of its appearance! It has NEVER HAPPENED ELSEWHERE ON SUCH A SCALE IN THE HISTORY OF CHRISTIANITY TILL THIS DAY!
Published by: Roy S. Tenn
Miami, Florida 08/08/2009 12:30 PM EST
Most of this information by Dr. Adolfo Orozco have already been long documented, proving that only God Himself could have created this image of Our Lady.

In fact this is what the rector told Hillary Clinton when on seeing the image asked who painted it.
Published by: louis
springfield, ky 08/08/2009 10:45 AM EST
Rate: Excellent
Every Scientist, Doctor or Ophthalmologist who has ever studied the Tilma has come to the same conclusion, 'The Tilma and the image are inexplicable in scientific terms.' But still you have people, usually ignorant of the facts surrounding the Tilma, who try to discredit it. What a shame.
Our Lady of Guadalupe is the Patroness of The Americas, we sure need her intercession now!
Cheers.
Published by: John
Hayward, WI USA 08/08/2009 10:15 AM EST
Rate: Excellent
send an autographed copy to Hillary our brilliant secy of state--that she may know Who painted it
Published by: John D
Boston, MA, USA 08/08/2009 10:07 AM EST
I think Dr. Orozco has said it all very beautifully! Everything concerning this image is a miracle.
Published by: SVH
usa 08/08/2009 09:37 AM EST
What a beautiful sign from our Lord, to present his Mother, our Mother, to the world in a lasting, inexplicable sign of His love and power. Heed her message - Choose life, turn away from our sinful ways, and turn to her son, our Lord.
Published by: Fr Bill
Fernley/Nevada/USA 08/08/2009 09:35 AM EST
Solid physical evidence of the presence of God is hard to refute, and God knows it.
Published by: Felice
maryland 08/07/2009 09:36 PM EST
historian Warren H. Carroll
gives a very readable and compelling account of the
spiritual battle as the new
world encountered the old.
Published by: Christopher Abraham
Malaysia 08/07/2009 06:21 PM EST
Amazing.I have no doubts anymore on its authenticity.
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