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U.S. Bishops’ final plea to Congressmen: Do not pass pro-abortion health care bill
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.- In a final, urgent plea to prevent the passage of the current form of the Senate health care bill, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) on Saturday evening sent a letter to Congressmen asking them to vote “no.” “For decades,” the letter says, “the United States Catholic bishops have supported universal health care. The Catholic Church teaches that health care is a basic human right, essential for human life and dignity.” “Our community of faith,” the bishops continue, “provides health care to millions, purchases health care for tens of thousands and addresses the failings of our health care system in our parishes, emergency rooms and shelters. This is why we as bishops continue to insist that health care reform which truly protects the life, dignity, consciences and health of all is a moral imperative and an urgent national priority.” Nevertheless, they add, “we are convinced that the Senate legislation now presented to the House of Representatives on a ‘take it or leave it’ basis sadly fails this test and ought to be opposed.” The letter is signed by Cardinal Daniel DiNardo, Chairman of the Committee of Pro-life Activities; Bishop William F. Murphy, Chairman of the Committee on Domestic Justice and Human Development; and Bishop John C. Wester, Chairman of the Committee on Migration. “Why do we take this position, when we have a long record of support for health care reform?” the USCCB letter asks, answering that the fundamental objections can be summarized in two points. First, the bishops argue that health care reform “must protect life and conscience, not threaten them." The Senate bill "extends abortion coverage, allows federal funds to pay for elective abortions (for example, through a new appropriation for services at Community Health Centers that bypasses the Hyde amendment), and denies adequate conscience protection to individuals and institutions." "Simply put," the letter to Representatives continues, "health care reform ought to continue to apply both parts of the Hyde amendment, no more and no less." The bishops also argue that, despite claims to the contrary, "the status quo prohibits the federal government from funding or facilitating plans that include elective abortion. The Senate bill clearly violates this prohibition by providing subsidies to purchase such plans." "While the Senate provides for one plan without abortion coverage in each exchange, those who select another plan in an exchange to better meet the special needs of their families will be required to pay a separate mandatory abortion fee into a fund exclusively for abortions. This new federal requirement is a far more direct imposition on the consciences of those who do not wish to pay for the destruction of unborn human life than anything currently in federal law." Thus the bishops insist that "it is not those who require that the Hyde Amendment be fully applied who are obstructing reform, since this is the law of the land and the will of the American people." "Rather, those who insist on expanding federal participation in abortion, require people to pay for other people’s abortions, and refuse to incorporate essential conscience protections (both within and beyond the abortion context) are threatening genuine reform. With conscience protection as with abortion funding, our goal is simply to preserve the status quo," the letter argues. The second point of objection, the USCCB says, is that "universal coverage should be truly universal. People should never be denied coverage because they can’t afford it, because of where they live or work, or because of where they come from and when they got here." "The Senate bill would not only continue current law that denies legal immigrants access to Medicaid for five years, but also prohibit undocumented immigrants from buying insurance for their families in the exchanges using their own money. These provisions could leave immigrants and their families worse off, and also hurt the public health of our nation," the USCCB explains. The bishops regret that the House leadership is “ignoring the pleas of pro-life members for essential changes in the legislation.” “Apparently they will not even try to address the serious problems on abortion funding, conscience protection and fair treatment of immigrants." "We are bishops, not politicians, policy experts or legislative tacticians. We are also pastors, teachers, and citizens. At this point of decision, we cannot compromise on basic moral principles. We can only urge -- and hope and pray -- that the House of Representatives will still find the will and the means to adopt health care reform that protects the life, dignity, conscience and health of all. “The legislation the House adopted, while not perfect, came closer to meeting these criteria. The Senate legislation simply does not meet them," the bishops say. "With deep regret, but clear in our moral judgment, we are compelled to continue to urge House members to oppose the Senate bill unless these fundamental flaws are remedied. At this critical moment, we urge Representatives to take the steps necessary to ensure that health care reform respects the life and dignity of all, from conception to natural death," the letter concludes. Subscriber comments:
Published by: Michael
Seattle, WA 03/24/2010 08:54 PM EST
I wish the church would tell us regular Catholics how we can best assist in fighting this assault on life. I would rather see the church remove all Catholic operated health-care facilities in the states than support state sanctioned murder. If the church acquiesces in this matter then that is the end of Catholic integrity.
Published by: Steve S
Clarksburg, WV, USA 03/23/2010 09:12 PM EST
Why would you not post my earlier comment? It merely listed the phone numbers for my WV representatives. The same who claimed to be pro-life but ignored my plea and voted with Pres. Abortion, er.. Obama.
Oh well, for what its worth, here are the 17 to defeat in November:
Ann Kirkpatrick or Arizona
Harry E. Mitchell of Arizona
Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona
John Salazar of Colorado
Betsy Markey of Colorado
Allen Boyd of Florida
Suzanne Kosmas of Florida
Baron P. Hill of Indiana
Earl Pomeroy of Alabama
Charlie Wilson of Ohio
John Boccieri of Ohio
Kathy Dahlkemper of Pennsylvania
Christopher Carney of Pennsylvania
John Spratt, Jr. of South Carolina
Tom Perriello of Virginia
Alan Mollohan of West Virginia
Nick Rahall of West Virginia
Published by: Ron Pichlik
Battle Creek, MI USA 03/23/2010 06:18 PM EST
To al from South Bend the problem is that an executive order has absolutely no binding authority whatsoever. In fact if the law conflicts with the president's executive order the law trumps the executive order. Therefore, the problem is that the president's promise to sign such an executive order is just that, a promise that will not be backed up by the force of law.
Published by: wjm
glenshaw pa ussa 03/22/2010 06:36 PM EST
Stupak and the Bishops were rolled!
Published by: al
south bend in 03/22/2010 11:53 AM EST
I am confused. President Obama as CNA just reported, that he signed a statement banning abortion to be paid for by federal funds. Yet you still publish the fight to encourage our senators to ban the entire health care bill to stop abortion. It all points to a republican plan to stop anything submitted by democrates. It is still a political issue.
Published by: Norma
Rogers AR 03/22/2010 11:21 AM EST
Timothy L. Pennel, I agree with you 100%. Now that we're two, let's pray hard as we never have before, for this poor brother of us, Mr. Obama, he's in bondage and we need to take him to heaven.
Published by: TOM
GLENVIEW IL. 03/22/2010 11:02 AM EST
Where have our bishops been these past months in terms of mandating that their clerics in the parishes throughout the nation openly address the abortion issue from the pulpit? Where have they been in educating the flock that it is morally wrong for a Catholic legislator to support any pro-abortion legislation? Where have they been in instructing the flock that a correct conscience will not abide a Catholic’s support of any politically pro-abortion candidate for election to public office wherein legislation negatively impacting the lives of the unborn might become the subject of legislation? How many pastors have adopted the “no politics” from the pew” excuse when pressed about their silence on this critical issue? Has not the life of St. Thomas More been championed in our seminaries?
Additionally, it must be asked why the bishops who acknowledge, on one hand, that they steadfastly “support universal health care” yet, on the other hand, remain locked in a catatonic silence when it comes to instructing the flock on the principle of subsidiarity? Have they sublimated this bedrock principle in favor of the political nostrum of a socialist driven political leadership? Have they determined that the time has arrived wherein the state must now be substituted for the initiative and responsibility of the individual at a level on which we can, if left unfettered by government, function all to the end that we are not deprived of the dignity of our freedom?
Published by: Fred
Sterling, Va. 03/22/2010 10:34 AM EST
The bishops should never have been in favor of "universal" health care in the first place. It violates the very Catholic principle of "subsidiarity" by centralizing health care decisions at the federal level rather than keeping those decisions where they are best and most properly made: at the local level. It is also immoral for our country to run up even greater debts in the name of "universal" health care since it plainly cannot pay for such a program and will merely foist the consequences of this immoral decision on future generations. Moreover, to trust the federal government to deliver on this "social justice" idea of "health care for all" is to truly make a deal with the devil himself. This is the very same federal government that removed God from our public schools, gave us Roe, funds embryonic stem cell research, and uses tax-emempt status to muzzle faith-based opposition to policy. It seems that the wisdom so badly needed by our shepherds in this difficult time is nowhere to be found.
Published by: Gene
Florence, Ky 03/22/2010 09:23 AM EST
With a majority of so-called Catholics voting for Obama and Democrats in general, and the Church's overall stance on this issue (no one dies because of lack of means to pay in this country) I fail to see what the Bishops are so bent out of shape about.
Published by: Beverly Stephens
Panama City, Fl., USA 03/22/2010 07:00 AM EST
God bless you. Thank you for your stand.
Published by: Barbara O'Brien Arato
Long Island, NY, USA 03/22/2010 05:58 AM EST
I thank the Bishops for their courage to stand up for life, even signing their names. May God forgive them for their past neglect of understanding the danger of their connections to pro abortion organizations. May they come to understand the significance of Bl. Mother's request to enshrine the statue of Our Lady of America in the National Shrine in Washington, DC, now.
Published by: Dave Mattozzi
Pittsburgh, Pa. 03/22/2010 04:25 AM EST
Let us all pray for an end to abortion in the world.
Published by: JoSS
Rio Rancho NM 03/22/2010 03:02 AM EST
The Bishops should have excommunicated those so-called catholic politicians a long time ago. Their neglect of duty allowed those liberal catholics in office to use their 'catholic' faith to influence the ill-educated Catholics in believing their agenda is compatible with the Catholic teachings_thus catholics voted for these liberals, who promoted these pro-abortion laws. God have mercy on us.
Published by: mourning
massachusetts/ usa 03/21/2010 11:36 PM EST
How very sad a moment as I realize the horror of abortion have just gotten worse. I experienced a great conversion years ago, but not before I lost three of my children to this horror. I still cry. What saved me was God's mercy through my surviving children and the realization that my other precious children were martyred by my own hands. The Congress has made a monumental mistake by proliferating the idea that abortion is warranted by any one for any reason - ever. I know there are more mourning mothers like myself, and I plead with whoever might listen, that it is not too late to change our minds about what we find morally acceptable. Tonight I pray for the children that have yet to be lost to the intolerance of inconvenience.
Published by: Bill Sarto
Carpentersville, IL, USA 03/21/2010 11:15 PM EST
It's too bad that the US Bishops are playing politics at this important time in our history.
Health Care is a basic human right that ALL deserve to have. The abortion "issue" in regard to Health Care Reform is phony and sadly the bishops know it. The bishops have chosen to put partisan politics above the best interests of the people of this country.
Published by: MaryAnne Tassiello
Staten Island, NY 03/21/2010 10:45 PM EST
My heart is very heavy since this health care bill has just been voted on and passed. I feel that this is a very dark day for our unborn babies and for our country. I think that this is the beginning of very scary changes to come for all of us in the United States. God help the United States of America! Keep praying and never give up the fight.
Published by: Madame Defarge
USA 03/21/2010 10:42 PM EST
Democrats shouldn't fear any reprisals from the USCCB for voting for the health care bill. The bishops really wanted this bill badly. They just couldn't openly be for it since it gives abortion coverage. All will be forgiven long before the next election.
Published by: Joseph Weglarz
Monroe NC USA 03/21/2010 09:13 PM EST
Its about time the Catholic church enforces its rules, on people who don't obey the church, if they believe in abortion,,,,kick them out of the church>>>>>>>>>>>>
Published by: lucy laubshire
Belton,SC 03/21/2010 07:46 PM EST
It's very disheartening that Catholics
nationwide just ignore what their responsibities are to uphold our christian principles to defend life from conception to old age,
Published by: leftistdestroyer
wildomar/CA/former USA 03/21/2010 07:05 PM EST
Sad to see that the only difference between the Catholic Church being communist or not, is abortion. Remember my fellow Catholics...Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s...or renounce your Catholicism.
Published by: Ed Szewczyk
Belleville/IL/USA 03/21/2010 06:57 PM EST
I vote with the good sisters. I think the American bishops have become entirely too wrapped up in right-wing Republican politics and have lost sight of many of our Catholic ideals in the process.
Published by: Rita
Omaha/NE 03/21/2010 06:54 PM EST
I am so saddened that Bart Stupak and the other pro-life democrats did not heed the pleas of the bishops. As a cradle Catholic, I'm sure this is one of those moments when "tears are falling in heaven." I fear for the country I love!
Published by: stvinw
USA 03/21/2010 06:53 PM EST
Stupak made a deal with the devil on the abortion issue. Obama
found himself between a rock and a hard place on health care,
and he is willing to say anything to anyone in order to get this monstrosity of a bill passed. Stupak and other wavering members of Congress need to step back and look at the big picture. If they take health care out of the private sector...
everyone loses. Even those of us that still have jobs won't
be any further ahead after the new taxes to pay for this hit,
along with the tsunami of inflation that's on it's way from the
out-of control spending of this administration. If the Obama Crazy Train isn't stopped soon, a good part of this country is going to derail.
Published by: James Sercu
Fountain Hills, AZ, United States 03/21/2010 06:04 PM EST
Hypocrites. Why do the religous leaders let the politicians continue to attend services and receive the sacraments when they vote against the beliefs of that specific religion.... DAH... time for the religous leaders to put forth some real effort and kick out the non-believers.
Published by: Peter
Kennedale/TX/USA 03/21/2010 05:57 PM EST
As a Catholic, I am disgusted with the lack of Church leadership on this subject over the years, especially in the US. Year after year, elected Catholic political officials continually are supported by the church (most notably late Senator Kennedy and his nephew Patrick). For years, it has been blatantly obvious that Democrats in general are PRO-ABORTION, they care more about their party, socialism, and power than they do about LIFE! Any Catholic who supports the Democratic party, is supporting the murder of innocent life, God will be your judge.
Published by: Dan
Corpus Christi Tx 03/21/2010 05:44 PM EST
Why is it as Catholics we say were against abortion and even do pray in vigils around planned Parenthood. But when it comes to telling parishioners that a vote for pro abortion politic officials makes them party to the continued killing of the innocent unborn. We won't go that far. It makes no sense when will the church stand up. Instead of being silent or wishy washy on it. Anything short of standing for the right makes us hypocrites.
Published by: Joan
Plainsboro, NJ 03/21/2010 05:32 PM EST
I'm happy the bishops have weighed in on this bill. I only wish they had come out with their determination a little earlier, so that folks could become truly educated about what is in the proposed legislation.
Published by: Moira Rayner
Australia 03/21/2010 05:31 PM EST
With deep regret, and with very human acknowledgment of my own moral frailty, which is apparently lacking within your own politicised and self-satisfied ranks, I have to tell you that I do not believe that your assessment of the legislation is right, that your judgment is sound, or that good spirit moves you in this matter. I pray that your meddling to augment the suffering of 95% of the American people prove ineffectual.
Published by: Martha Chilek
Yoakum, Tx USA 03/21/2010 05:30 PM EST
Thank you for getting this message to the US Congress on our behalf. I must
ask, why, previous to this most important of days,
on this most important of issues, was not every pastor in the United States
sent a letter/message by his bishop to ask his parishoners to pray for God's guidance and help on the vote today?
No mention of what was to happen today
was made in the church I attended from the pulpit. We were asked for donations for Haiti the day after the earthquake.
This outcome
will effect many more people for many more years than the earthquake. Where is the voice of the church to its own
people? Is it so busy defending itself
against charges of child molestation and delegations to Congress that it
forgets the power it holds simply to ask
its people to pray? Many are willing but some must be told...Speak to us!!!!!
vote
Published by: Orv Hando
Oshkosh, WI USA 03/21/2010 05:23 PM EST
Pray that the Catholic Bishops will be heard.
- A lifelong Lutheran
Published by: Jeanne Heyworth
Virginia Beach, Va, USA 03/21/2010 05:21 PM EST
Just imagine....if your mother had aborted anyone one of you, you wouldn't be around to vote for the health care reform bill that allows for abortions!
Published by: bill
cleveland, OH, USA 03/21/2010 05:20 PM EST
I'm an ex-Catholic Evangelical. At my father's funeral mass I was not permitted to receive the eucharist while scores of pro-abortion "Catholics" proudly participated.
Published by: revsl
St. Louis, MO., USA 03/21/2010 05:19 PM EST
It is definitely time for the Catholic church to begin paying taxes for the privileg of all their political involvement.
Published by: Richard Chavarrie
camano Is. WA 03/21/2010 05:14 PM EST
Why don't the bishops in thier infinite wisdom just say no to the whole bill. There are other flows, i/e govn.control.history has shown that when the legislatures get their grubby hands on a big piece of the pie, spending goes through the roof. Richard
Published by: linda
bedford, nh 03/21/2010 05:13 PM EST
Oh, I pray this request is honored.
Published by: CTSadler
Los Angeles 03/21/2010 04:54 PM EST
And what exactly is the Catholic nuns stance on this?
Published by: herdzcatz
USA 03/21/2010 04:37 PM EST
I am not Catholic, but I praise God for the boldness of the bishops of the Catholic church to stand up and be counted. We must not grow weary nor lose heart. We MUST trust the Living God who knows the hearts of all men. He and only He can intervene now. (But I believe He has, He does, and He WILL CONTINUE to use men and women in His interventions!)
Published by: Matt | o2h2d2
Portland, OR 03/21/2010 04:32 PM EST
Personally, if the Church has any sense of self worth in Christ Jesus the Son of God, being His Bride, the Bishops, Cardinals, and the Pope would excommunicate those who voted in favor of the bill without clear language in the bill banning abortion funding. Even if there is an Executive order saying there will be no funding for abortions.
In times like these, the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Roman Catholic Church, the Anglican Church, and the Protestant Church needs to unite.
Published by: John
Charleston, SC, USA 03/21/2010 04:32 PM EST
The moral authority of US Bishops in the United States is ineffective. It was ruined when the Catholic Church failed to actually hold church leaders responsible for the horrendous failure to protect the those whom Jesus said should be protected. The children of the laity.
Published by: Matt | o2h2d2
Portland, OR 03/21/2010 04:17 PM EST
Personally, if the Church has any sense of self worth in Christ Jesus the Son of God, being His Bride, the Bishops, Cardinals, and the Pope would excommunicate those who voted in favor of the bill without clear language in the bill banning abortion funding. Even if there is an Executive order saying there will be no funding for abortions.
In times like these, the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Roman Catholic Church, the Anglican Church, and the Protestant Church needs to unite.
Published by: Julia O'Sullivan
NYC and New Haven, USA 03/21/2010 04:17 PM EST
This is terribly sad, and it shows the absolute loss of authority by the Catholic Bishops of the United States. If they simply enforced the laws of the Church for Catholic congresspersons, that is, made them see how serious this issue is by gently but firmly reminding them that they excommunicate themselves if they vote for a bill like this, given its abortion language (even with the currently spoken of Exec Order, which of course can be overturned) then they might take the word of the Bishops more seriously. As it is, their words hold little weight. There truly is very little regard for life at the far ends of the spectrum in today's society, and that so many avowed Catholic representatives blow off their Bishops' appeal, and perhaps even listen to a group of rogue Sisters (not Nuns. Nuns are cloistered) who fly in the face of their own Church is sad. That Bart Stupak has now given in and allowed himself to be fooled by an Executive Order promise from the most pro-abortion President in the history of the United States is a tragedy. That piece of paper will be worthless. 30 years of legal blocking to public abortion funding has been sold for nothing. 30 pieces of silver. I pray that Bart Stupak, a very good man, will realize his error before the vote.
Published by: Charles Elliott
Edna, TX 03/21/2010 04:14 PM EST
What happened to ex-communication? The Catholic church has become not much more than a social club. That is why I am no longer a practicing Catholic.
When a church won't stand for it's own values what good is it.
God never meant for the church to beg for it's members to follow the teachings of Christ. It was to offer mankind the Gospel of Christ and reject those who rejected that Gospel.
Published by: Kathie Dean
Montgomery TX USA 03/21/2010 04:14 PM EST
Thank GOD our church has finally CLEARLY opposed the Health Car Bill. May God send The Holy Spirit into our representative's hearts and guide them to vote NO.
Published by: The reality strikes
Oakland CA 03/21/2010 04:11 PM EST
Actually there is no language in the bill that pays for abortions. When asked to state the verbiage that dictates this claim you get crickets....This article doesn't state the verbiage in the bill either. It's quite irratating to keep hearing this falsehood. It's straight up not true and it's intellectually bankrupting this country. Republican way....keep repeating something and people start believing it as true. I'm against this bill but am also against lying to the American people.
Published by: Pa
Olathe, KS US 03/21/2010 03:56 PM EST
Unfortunately, this is too little, too late from the USCCB.
Has Nancy Pelosi been publicly excommunicated for her distortion of Catholic Doctrine and actively promoting pro-abortion legislation? Has her priest been defrocked for continuing to offer her Communion?
Has the Kennedy family been publicly excommunicated? How about John Kerry?
How about Notre Dame's disgusting act of hosting the most pro-abortion politician in the US, President Obama and presenting him with an honorary degree?
No, the USCCB as liberal as the demorcat party it is in bed with and have been quietly complicit in the pro-abortion agenda.
Defrock and excommunicate them all.
Published by: Mark Merritt
Fiddletown, CA 03/21/2010 03:42 PM EST
If you really believe what you write above -- and I DO believe it -- then you should excommunicate any member of congress who "professes" to believe and still votes yea on this murderous bill.
Published by: karen
texas 03/21/2010 03:32 PM EST
I hate to break the news to the La. bishops, but apparently there WERE pro-abortion measures in the health care bill until Stupak got the president to agree to sign an EXECUTIVE ORDER stating that no fed money will be used to fund abortions!!! And, executive orders can be rescinded.
Published by: Robert Lucas
Ormond Beach, Florida 03/21/2010 03:16 PM EST
What kind of Roman Catholics are Nancy Pelosi, and Joe Biden?
Published by: Linda Meglio
Sroudsburg,PA, USA 03/21/2010 02:50 PM EST
The Catholic has been quiet for far too long over this. I remember Mario Cuomo being told by a Bishop that he was going to Hell if he supoorts abortion. Well, unless Cuomo was truly repentant for his stance, he's in Hell. The Church made the Bishop apologize for what he said.
Atleast the Church has come around. Our Bishop told us if we vote for Obama we are comitting a mortal sin. AMEN!!!
I am against Obamacare, because it includes abortion and because anything the goverenment gets its hands on neverworks and is political.
Socialism run by Jesus works, socialism run by man will aways be corrupt. Greed prevails and people are no longer equal. In comes the elite ruling class and then the rest of us. Not what Jesus had in mind.
Published by: Mary O'Rahilly
New York NY 03/21/2010 02:44 PM EST
A "no" vote on this particular "health care bill" is necessary for the health of the nation
Published by: Judy
Sarasota, FL, USA 03/21/2010 02:41 PM EST
Why don't the Bishops excommunicate from the Catholic Church those who vote for this bill?
Published by: Sandy
Cockeysville, MD 03/21/2010 02:39 PM EST
I am disappointed that your language was not stronger in it's opposition to the murder of babies in the womb. May God forgive you for your lack of zeal for his house.
Published by: Evan
Vancouver, WA, USA 03/21/2010 02:24 PM EST
I am a protestant and I stand in complete agreement with my Catholic brothers and sisters in opposing tyranny in any form but also calling for social justice.
Published by: jerryh
north/mi/usa 03/21/2010 02:21 PM EST
I think it is time for the Military to honor the oath they made to defend the constitution from enemies both foreign and DOMESTIC.
All members of congress (sorry to those who have been fighting the good fight) and this marxist administration need to be removed and jury pool style replacements put into place until emergency elections can be implemented .
This is no longer about politics, this is about the heart and soul of our country, this is a culture war. The marxist/communist/progressive/"liberal" hippies from the 60's are in control right now and they are hell bent on destroying America and bringing us under the thumb of a one world government rule. They want their version of utopia which is nothing more than an elitist control fantasy. I used to think this was an insane conspiracy theory, but no longer.
We are on the precipice of a secession/civil war scenario. And quite frankly it may be our only hope to stop this madness!!!
Published by: Our Lady of Emmitsburg
Emmitsburg, Maryland - United States of America 03/21/2010 02:08 PM EST
"The apostasy is at hand."
(One way or the other)
Published by: Thomas
Ohio 03/21/2010 02:03 PM EST
This "Health Bill" is forcing me to commit an immoral act, a crime against humanity, the killing of the child in the womb! I cannot support it, not even the paying of the forced tax to support it. I will not do it! NO, No, No !
Published by: Eddie G
Pearland TX USA 03/21/2010 02:03 PM EST
The bishops have known for years what kind of people the democrats and their supporters are, yet they ignored them time and time again. They'd chosen to support socialist medicine in hopes that the dems would not include abortion. How ignorant of the bishops.
They, the bishops, have isolated Catholics such as myself, who know right from wrong, who have seen over the years how the left DOES NOT value life. Yet, the bishops never understood, and will never understand, habitual murderers cannot be trusted.
Published by: ken wood
Hudson OH USA 03/21/2010 02:02 PM EST
Where have our Bishops, the Shepherds of Souls, been at in this whole 14 month fray? Where have we heard from our pulpits and local church bulletins the fact that this abomination will cost the lives of they yet unborn and worse, that we as taxpayers will pay for these mirders?
Where have our leaders been? The SILENCE has been deafening.
Published by: Todd Denney
Indianapolis, Indiana, U.S. 03/21/2010 01:58 PM EST
I am confused, when I see the Bishops forget time and time again the elderly in all of this. Why is it that the Church is so unwilling to look at the fact that hundreds of thousands of innocent elderly die every year in Europe alone due to 'Rationing'. Is this not an interest of our Bishops? Why is it that our Bishops are unwilling to see the devil in the details. Why will they not condemn European style health care like they condemn our current system? Why not condemn the system that 'rations' and applaud the system that doesn't? What Pelosi and Obama want is a system that by it's very nature causes the human persons dignity to be diminished. Socialized medicine, the end game of where these people want to take this toward, whether the current abortion language is in there or not, will in and of it's very nature, cause massive more abortions and the needless deaths of the semi-elderly and elderly due to the necessary constraints put upon it from a fiscal perspective. Currently the Church steps in when necessary, the hospitals do as well, and the pharmaceutical industry shores up the line for those who can't afford it. Once it's in the hands of the federal government, those days are gone and when it can't be afforded, it won't be paid for, plain and simple. Abortions, under this system will be encouraged however, because one less person means many less dollars spent on a huge entitlement program. I thank the Bishops for their courage, but am left feeling incomplete.
Published by: peter cardarelli
boston,massachusetts,USA 03/21/2010 01:56 PM EST
This bill is the most destructive bill to ever be pushed down the throats of the American people in the history of our great country..It also had an Education bill attached to it that gives the Federal Govt the entire control of the College loan industry with which they will decide who goes to college..what college..and studies what...It is about control..let alone forcing us to pay for killing unborn children.The arogance of Obama,,Pelosi,Reid and the Dems is borderline Evil at this point.God Help Us.
Published by: alba
sarasota, florida 03/21/2010 01:47 PM EST
Too little, too late. The USCCB should have opposed this bill from the beginning. Instead they were more interested in "Universal Healthcare" than they were on protecting "LIFE".
The USCCB has taken a progressive and collectivist position all along, now, at the last minute they come up with this declaration so as to cover their tracks showing that they did not support the PROLIFE position.
Shame on them!
Published by: James Walsh
Spotsylvania, VA 03/21/2010 01:47 PM EST
I am a Catholic, and feel its to late for these Bishops to come in this late in the games and spot their opposition to the dem stand on abortion.
All these so called catholic dems are all welcomed in the church because they usually give big donations.
For this they allow them to stay in the church and also give them the body and blood of our Lord.
They should be ashamed of themselves
Published by: ali Osborne
USA 03/21/2010 01:46 PM EST
Making the people of this great Nation pay for killing babies is unbelievable.
I used to wonder how only a handful would make it to Heaven, but I'm beginning to understand we're no longer a Nation of God. Too many have turned away from what
is right. I cry for what this country is allowing to happen and to herd us all into the corral with them so we are guilty too. All involved in abortion, in any way, will pay in the end when they have the book of life read to them.
Published by: Lee Hazel
Waddell/AZ/USA 03/21/2010 01:40 PM EST
I am not a catholic and I wish I could be saying about other major Christian denominations what I am about to say about the Catholics.
It is more than refreshing to see the Catholic Church stand forth on this issue. Through the words of these Bishops it is made clear that funding of abortion is a. in the bill, b. for this reason among others,the church condemns this version of Health Care Reform.
It is incredible to me that any proclaimed Christian can support and vote for those that support infanticide and genocide and potentially eugenics through support of Abortion on Demand as enhanced by US taxpayer dollars.
This is an Obamanation.
PC is Thought Control
LEE
Published by: R Johnson
Spring Texas USA 03/21/2010 01:31 PM EST
I agree 100% with the bishops and hope that congressional representatives are listening but not only to the cardinals but to the overwhelming majority of the American public who also opposes this bill. No one disagrees about health care reform it is a matter of how to get there and the costs.
Published by: Anonymous
USA 03/21/2010 01:23 PM EST
People think abortion is ok because they don't "see" how bad it is. Take ten minutes to view a couple abortion videos online and you will "see" how bad it is. Or, people think that just because the "fetus" can't survive outside it's environment that it's not a real person with a soul. How 'bout take *YOU* out of your nice "environment" with air, oxygen, water, normal temperature, ie. stand you on the moon for a minute, outside of *your* environment and see if you're a real human. The problem is clear when you take time to *think* about it.
Published by: Mrtenne
USA 03/21/2010 01:13 PM EST
We can not dance with the devil. The Biblical mandate to care for the poor, the sick and the aged is for the CHURCH, not government. Healthcare is a good not a right. The US Constitution clearly states that the role of our gov't is to protect our God-given rights which are life, liberty (freedom) and the pursuit of happiness. A gov't mandate to purchase insurance AND to be charitable AND to control private education loans is a mandate against liberty. When you dance with the devil you will get burned. Nationalized socialist healthcare existed in Germany BEFORE Hitler rose to power. If this atrocity passes, perhaps the Catholic church will finally see the bigger picture and realize the error of their ways.
Published by: Robert J Souders Maj USAF Ret
Houston, TX USA 03/21/2010 01:06 PM EST
I believe it would be proper for the bishops to excommunicate any Catholic who votes for/supports this disaster of a health care bill. Not only does it require tax payers to pay for abortions, it is totally un-American and is a huge power grab.
Published by: August Anzelmo
Chicago Hts., IL USA 03/21/2010 01:04 PM EST
Now that the bishops have spoken, we pray God that the their fellow bishop--the Vicar of Christ--will do likewise.
Published by: Fr. Terence McLoughlin O.P.
Galway, ireland 03/21/2010 12:52 PM EST
This motion deserves everyone's support.
It certainly has mine.
Published by: Rich
Cleveland OH 03/21/2010 12:52 PM EST
Then why do so many Catholics continue to vote for the Communists (Democrats)?
Published by: Fr. Mark E Mitchell
Grand Rapids, MI, USA 03/21/2010 12:51 PM EST
This whole debate has ignored not only the moral conscience of its citizens, but it also goes against the majority of the people. Even if the majority did want abortion, I and so many others could not live with this effort which mandates everyone to be involved in what we believe is the deliberate and planned killing of human life. The approval of mandatory abortion affects the very way a person will treat another human being.
This leaves Catholics, Muslims, Jews, Mormons, and so many people who believe in the basic dignity of every human being in a quandry. How can our legislature even argue about so basic of human rights to impose abortion on all of society. We cannot live with abortion of human beings as a way of life. No matter what happens we who love life will not live with such possible negative legeislation.
Published by: Joseph Aubin
Plattsburgh,N.Y. 03/21/2010 12:51 PM EST
I strongly oppose the passage of the Health Bill. It is a total disregard for the sanctity of God's gdift of human life.
Published by: Obama Sponsors Child Killing in Utero
Carbondale/IL/USA 03/21/2010 12:44 PM EST
The Democrat party is incompatible with Christianity, particularly Catholicism. Catholics have contributed to the success of abortion proliferation and funding for generations. It is a little disingenuous to now fuss about the abortion issue after growing the Democrat party to the authoritarian monster it is, a party unresponsive to the people. There is not one Democrat in Congress today who would not sell out any and every religious principle for a little self-enrichment or a little more power.
Published by: Mary Ann Brotman
Boynton Beach, Florida 03/21/2010 12:43 PM EST
The American people do not want this Bill and it is not a small group of people that are rejecting this Bill which is being reported by the PRESS. What can we do? God help us to succeed in rejecting this bill that will support tax dollars for Abortions. We need Reform by allowing the American people to purchase insurance over state lines and m aking it competitive. We also need Tort Reform. This Bill will destroy this country.
Published by: Louis Worland
Littleton, CO 03/21/2010 12:39 PM EST
Thank you for clearly stating our position as Catholics.
Published by: grantck
Rossville, Ga, USA 03/21/2010 12:37 PM EST
I thank God they oppose abortion. I'm a United Methodist and sorry to say, our leadership is lacking in this great Moral area.
Published by: Bill Sr.
Jacksonville FL 03/21/2010 12:35 PM EST
Amen,
And to say nothing of the "Marriage Penalty" provisions within the bill which "benefit" couples very well tax wise and when purchasing insurance who choose to live together rather than get married. The 60 nuns missed that little gem in there or chose to ignore it.
Published by: Bill
Columbus, OH 03/21/2010 12:21 PM EST
The big question is who do the House Pro-Life Dems report to? God or Obama?
Published by: sondra
Colorado Springs, Ccolorado, USA 03/21/2010 12:20 PM EST
I, as do all the Catholic Bishops do not in any way support abortion (I am not Catholic) but as part of the Roman Catholic Church, your plea to the ears of the congress and mine, fall on deaf ears. Since the beginning of the Roman Catholic Church founded on Paganism in the 3rd century, and your very long history of Homosexual Bishops and priests molesting each other and young men. CONDEMN IT and throw those offenders out of the church or GOD will condemn every one of you!Your problem starts with the POPE and finds its way down the hireachy to to the innocent! MAY MY GOD GET YOUR ATTENTION TO YOUR GREVIOUS SINS and cause true repentance!
Published by: margaret elmiger
toms river, n.j. usa 03/21/2010 12:19 PM EST
We the citizens do not want this bill and on the contrary to you, know the government doesn't do anything right Re, waste in every entitlement program going. Waste in government spending on frivolous earmarks. And how about the yearly raises and expenses you so gallantly reward yourselves.
Published by: WW2 Marine Veteran
Tucson, AZ USA 03/21/2010 12:16 PM EST
I agree with this plea.
Published by: Catherine Barnella
Maricopa/AZ/USA 03/21/2010 12:06 PM EST
Here, here, VOTE NO on Healthcare, government takeover!
Published by: Carol Stearns
Sierra Vista, AZ USA 03/21/2010 12:05 PM EST
As a devote Roman Catholic for 67 years I do not understand why the Catholic Church will not make the statement that if any polication votes for abortion they will be excommunicate. They are all hypocrites and the Church allows it. We have to protect the "other" human in the mother.
Published by: voteNO
NC 03/21/2010 12:04 PM EST
This legislation violates First Amendment freedom of religion rights!
Published by: Francois Smeule
Johnston, RI, USA 03/21/2010 11:52 AM EST
Please vote out all representatives who vote for this monstrous bill.
Published by: S A Eyre, PhD
Philadelphia,PA 03/21/2010 11:49 AM EST
Its time to remember that this country was established seperation of church and state. This holds for both sides. What right have the Council to impose their view of life on those that disagree in a political setting. Are we a theocracy or a democracy? What have the bishops done to provide affordable healthcare to the general population?
Published by: Kent
USA 03/21/2010 11:46 AM EST
I'm not a Catholic, but way to go Bishops! Hidden amongst the layers and layers of legal speak there are provisions that most of us can't even believe would become law. Why should the federal government force me to pay for someones abortion either directly or through the alternative insurance option when I don't believe elective abortion to be right? Why should I face possible fines and other penalties if I can work to buy my own insurance that is not in the legislation? Why must I clear my health care needs with gov't boards? These and many others are buried in the 2,700+ pages. So today congress will vote on a bill they haven't read, they don't understand, and admit that the rules gamesmanship is very iffy on constitutionality. What a country?
Published by: Art
NE Ohio 03/21/2010 11:46 AM EST
I am so upset with the American Catholic Church. Church leaders continue to buddy up and support Democrats. Yet it is the Democrats that are PRO-ABORTION. So... you want to talk about disillusioned!! Despite my strong Roman Catholic faith, I cannot support or condone the American Roman Catholic Church. Add in the pedophelia issues and the church appears to border on evil.
Published by: Frank
San Clemente, CA 03/21/2010 11:44 AM EST
ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and their affiliates are all in tune with this abomination of a bill. The news about the Pope and child abusers were published just in time to impact the bill that will provide tax payer funding for abortions and destroy additional millions of children in America. Thank you Bishops for your stand on this issue. Please get those misguided nuns in line if they really are true nuns. STOP THIS NEEDLESS KILLING and kill this bill.
Published by: James Sercu
fountain Hills, Arizona, USA 03/21/2010 11:44 AM EST
The Catholic church should kick out the politicians who vote for abortion. Why should they let these politicians fake their spiritual beliefs. The politicians can go to another church.
Published by: John & Bobbi O'Brien
Bluffton, SC USA 03/21/2010 11:42 AM EST
We agree with the Bishops' statements to a point. God gives health; man gives healthcare. Under no circumstances should we be forced to buy healthcare or give healthcare if we choose not to. We agree that it is a moral obligation to care for our fellow human beings, but forcing us to do so is wrong. God gives us a free will; man is trying to take it away. This country is heading towards socialism/communism and has removed God from our society as much as we have allowed. This bill is just another takeover of our God-given rights as set up in our constitution. As far is people being denied healthcare, there is a federal law prohibiting refusal to take care of a person when that person enters an emergency room for treatment. Illegal immigrants are just that - illegal. We are a country of laws, not men, and when our laws are broken and we refuse to uphold our laws, the country will not survive. Then everyone - legal, illegal, rich, poor - suffers. Then where do we go? Finally, why are the bishops not putting pressure on those lawmakers who profess to be Catholics who are pushing forth this legislation? Nancy Pelosi praying to St. Joseph on his feastday to ask his help passing this legislation is an insult to those of us who try to follow our faith. In our minds, these so-called Catholics are public sinners and should be chastised as such.
Published by: oldgoat
Fort Mill,SC,USA 03/21/2010 11:38 AM EST
I am not of the Catholic faith but as a Christian I have much respect for their faith for fighting for what they teach. If all other Christians would join in the fight,we could still save our nation from disaster.
Published by: Yes Its
Monroe NC USA 03/21/2010 11:35 AM EST
Yes Its Time for Catholic Bishops
To do their job, under Jesus Christ our God,
If they Demoncrats vote for this bill
The Bishops better do their job, kicking them out of the Catholis Church until they publicly repent of evil in the eyes of GOD JESUS.........Or we will protest these Bishops........
Published by: m. sullivan
denver, colorado usa 03/21/2010 11:34 AM EST
EXCELLENT! THANK YOU, USCCB! MAY THIS LETTER WRITTEN ON THE EVE OF THE VOTE BEAR GOOD FRUIT -
With continued prayer,
M. Sullivan
Published by: Jenny Bea
New York, NY 03/21/2010 11:31 AM EST
Not for anything, but public funded abortion already exists through Planned Parenthood- the nation's largest abortion provider. But I digress- I appreciate your official position to vote no.
I would emplore you, however, to read the rest of the bill, as I'm sure you'd find it just as unconscionable in the levels of corruption and socialized abuse, taking for example a half trillion dollar cut to Medicare. You can't possibly gut money and add people to the roles and expect to not go into debt.
Research more, but thanks for the support to not vote for this.
Published by: Gods Word
Monroe NC USA 03/21/2010 11:28 AM EST
If DemocRATS vote for this.
Do your Job Bishops
vote them out of Catholic Church........
>>>>>>>>PERIOD..................
Published by: Jeff S.
Barrington, RI, usa 03/21/2010 11:27 AM EST
Where was the USCCB earlier in this debate when it could have had a more significant impact on the outcome? Curiously silent. The USCCB's support of universal healthcare is misguided because this, like other other socialist policies, will have far more negative uninteneded consequences than postive for the majority of persons.
Published by: Steve
Litchfield Park/az/usa 03/21/2010 11:27 AM EST
Why no mention of the OVERWHELMING lack of support for this bill from lay Catholics and lay members of protestant churches????
Published by: Love of Country
USA 03/21/2010 11:25 AM EST
Too bad the USCCB didn't take a stronger stand on abortion in the 1970s after Roe V Wade, instead of flirting with Liberation Theology. We have a Congress and Senate full of so-called Catholics who are at the front end pushing this bill. The USCCB can't even take a strong stand on doing their pastoral duty and refusing communion to these clowns. And by the way, everyone in this country gets healthcare, even illegals. I'm constantly irritated that USCCB do not even know the extent of our freedoms that would benefit everyone if we didn't have politicians limiting those Constitutional freedoms. This country has by far in the history of the world done more good and liberated more people than any other. I reject that they say that healthcare is a "right"...not in the Constitution...the liberty is there, but not the "right".
Published by: John Koenig
Banbury, United Kingdom 03/21/2010 11:25 AM EST
Why is God's law not the overriding factor on abortion?
Published by: berndtc
Indianapolis, IN U.S.A. 03/21/2010 11:24 AM EST
For some reason the anti-choice groups refuse to admit the truth. HCR does NOT have a provision to use Federal Funds to pay for abortions. If a woman or family wants abortion coverage they must pay for it out of their own pockets, they cannot use any federal funds to pay for abortion coverage. What the anti-choice crowd wants is some method of totally blocking a woman’s right to choose, and they will stop at nothing to get there, including lying. I thought the Christian Churches condemned lying, is that not true anymore? Also, if this bill is so wrong why do the Nuns of the Catholic Health Assoc. support it as is? Something’s wrong here, I don’t know what the Bishops are getting for their support, but it must be something. I suggest that if the Catholics Church is going to function as political lobbying Association. then it should be required to open offices on K-Street and register as such. The Church should also have to report all contacts with congressional politicians, name the Bishops making the contacts, and pay taxes. If you want to play you gotta pay, no exceptions.
Published by: Nicholas Baker
chicago il 03/21/2010 11:23 AM EST
As a christian attorney living in one of the most liberal cities, I appreciate what you have tried to do to thwart this evil plan to fund abortions with our tax money.
While I am not a Catholic, most of my family is. I am an evangelical christian and I appreciate all that you do for conservative christian morals.
Please do more for our values. This battle between good and evil cannot end here. The Lord Jesus Christ tells us to speak out loud and often and I do, and I know that your church does the same.
I believe that our nation has been blessed by God to be a light to the world, a beacon of hope and things like this healthcare bill funding abortion threatens the good we can do around America and the world.
Please let me know anything that I can do to support your efforts in bringing the pro-life movement and conservative christian values to the people.
Thank you again for your convictions, it means a lot to so many.
God bless you.
In Christ,
Nicholas Baker
Published by: Cyril
Ft. Washington/MD/USA 03/21/2010 11:14 AM EST
I think that the Bishops moral authority would be much more believable if they had taken full responsibility for the scandal of sexual abuse in this country. The Bishops continue to
attempt to make us believe that it was the fault of some "bad priest" that was the main problem with that scandal. The larger scandal was the actions of many of the Bishops in attempting to keep the information about the sexual abuse secret from the state authorities, and some are continuing to keep information from being released. I believe that the Nuns know what actually happens in the hospitals because they are the ones who staff these hoapitals not the Bishops. I believe that the Hyde Amendment will continue to prevent abortions from happening. The experience of those countries who have passed universal health insurance and the state of Mass. in this coountry indicated that the rate of abortions drop. Today this country has the highest rate of abortions per 1,000 women among the countries with universal health insurance. Unfortunately, abortion will not disappear is this legislation passes or fails to pass. I pray that the congress (Democrats) will have the will to pass this important legislation.
Published by: David Wendell
Stayton/Oregon/USA 03/21/2010 11:14 AM EST
Yea !! The bishops did good with this letter. Now I wish they'd clean up their act with the charities they give to with CCHD. Some of the charities they give our hard earned money to are actually pro abortion ! Therefore I will give my donations to good charities like Priests for Life, ASid to the Church in Need and my local parish. But not to the National CCHD (Catholic Campaign for Human Development). But I'm glad they sent the letter, especially to the CINO's (Catholic in Name Only) like Pelosi, Biden, ad nauseum.
Published by: Russell
TN. 03/21/2010 11:14 AM EST
Dam right they should be against this vote, and they should excomunicate and shame and embarase every last on of the politicians who vote for this bill, and for the life of me I cannot figure out why the democrat politicians can recieve communion in church , they should be thrown out , I cannot wait till this November even if this bill is voted down they all will be gone.
Published by: Mary T
Michigan, USA 03/21/2010 11:12 AM EST
As a practicing Catholic very involved in my parish, I support the bishops right to appeal to lawmakers to not pass this bill based on the underlying
support in the bill for abortion, but as I have written to my own Congressman,
(Stupak, by the way,) the abortion issue is not the only problem I have with this bill. Why don't the bishops address the cost and what this bill will to do job creation and the overall economy? They state that health care is a "right".....! Aren't rights God given and NOT Government mandated? Where do we have the right to demand that other citizens pay for our "rights"? I was always taught that our rights end where someome else's begin. Jesus did not preach government
health care. Jesus taught love and compassion and being willing to care for one another, and the government has nothing to do with it, especially when their plan will bankrupt the country and my children. Rather than appeal to lawmakers to pass a big government health care bill, (minus abortion funding) the bishops should be appealing to the faith, love, and charity of Christians of all denominations to live the real teachings of Christ, and demand that our government stop the wild out of control spending and destruction of our
basic freedoms: life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.......something that ARE a God given "right"! We do not want or need more government intrusion in these basic "God given rights"!
Published by: Albert Smith
San Diego 03/21/2010 11:09 AM EST
Well done to the bishops, may their letter be successful.
Published by: Nadra Fischer
Albuquerque NM, 87122 03/21/2010 11:05 AM EST
Thank you USCCB and God Bless for looking after your flock.
Published by: Bob Stapelman
Laingsburg MI 03/21/2010 11:02 AM EST
If health care is to cover the uninsured
it should protect the unborn.They are the real uninsured, unprotected by the government by some doctors the hospitals.
They need total health care.
Published by: Anne Woltemate
Stanley NC, USA 03/21/2010 11:02 AM EST
The government should NOT fund abortions. The Obama administration is taking over the American government and constitution as it was founded. First it was control of banks, next auto companies, next the attempt to regulate how we live re energy, human caused global warming, what we eat, how much we weigh. Now the push is for government controled health reform. HELP!! What can the American people do to stop this assault?
Published by: Kerry
virginia 03/21/2010 11:02 AM EST
Why the Catholic Church is not against the bill in IT'S ENTIRETY is my question....God blessed us with this great nation so we could live up to his divine law, that is the belief in human freedom. This legislation will force people to buy health insurance or be put in jail. This bill destroys our constitution, which has protected us for over 200 years. It is not just abortion that is wrong in this bill, it is it's destruction of a free country and replacing it with a communistic dictatorship! Wake UP AMERICA!!!!
Published by: J.P.O'Brien
Pompano Beach, Florida, USA 03/21/2010 10:59 AM EST
In all due respect, this letter comes as too little and perhaps too late. Why did you not join the now vast majority of your fellow Americans who are against this disastrous fascist legislation sooner? Lack of courage or too much political correctness, take your pick? Now take a stand if this bill passes tonight and tell us not to pay for a government controlled health service that will include abortion, I dare you? They are going to make us pay for it if you don’t sue to stop it! Never before have Americans been forced to buy something against their will, what is next, eugenics?
Published by: Plain Jane
Weatherford, TX USA 03/21/2010 10:58 AM EST
Why does the Catholic Church accept stealing? Illegal Immigrants are Stealing. One of the 10 commandants states "Thou shall not Steal". I applaud that they are finally coming out against this bill, especially in regards to the abortion. It is a little late for them to finally come out and state this. It should have been stated months ago, when this bill was being debated.
Published by: junkmaninohio
usa 03/21/2010 10:58 AM EST
Too little too late isn't it Monsignor?
Published by: Bill
Roanoke, VA 03/21/2010 10:56 AM EST
I'd like to ask the bishops two things. First, of course I agree that Americans should not be paying for abortions which murder pre-born human beings. That we can all agree on. But, when did healthcare become a "right". It's never been a right and bishops 100yrs. ago weren't clamoring to make it a "right". It's a service to be purchased, like other services. The bishops also don't seem to care about so much other terrible things in this bill. Since when did the Catholic Church support bankrupting a nation, a very charitable nation to take 20% of the economy and hand it over to an incompetent Federal Government. So, I guess we can finally admit that the Catholic Church's clergy are in fact not believers in Freedom, but in Socialism. That's directly contrary to the teachings of Jesus Christ who taught private, personal charity is needed and that we should let Caesar be Caesar, not contribute to Caesar. And national borders and sovereignty of a nation is also up for grabs. Why even have borders. Lets just let all people throughout the world come to the U.S. and plunder us till there's nothing left. Great idea! What a poor excuse for leadership in my church.
Published by: Keith
San Francisco, CA 03/21/2010 10:54 AM EST
Way to put the needs of hypothetical people ahead of those already suffering and dying needlessly. Once again you prove that the modern Catholic church is desperately out of touch with the needs of its members.
As a lifelong Catholic I urge you to resist becoming a "single issue" organization. You are the Catholic Church not a PAC.
When I read letters like this it forces me to question my role in the Church both now and going forward.
Published by: Pete Riehm
Mobile, AL 03/21/2010 10:53 AM EST
Sadly, the Catholic Church has become like the Pharisees wanting Caesar to do for free men what they should do for themselves. The Catholic Church does wonderful work providing health care for many people, so why do they wish to cede their duty to fellow humans to an earthly master?
Instead of ministering the Word of God, the Catholic Church has been corrupted by its penchant for collectivism where it sees governments supporting it pastoral work. As a Catholic, this distraction from God's grace and the dignity of God's free children deeply saddens me.
Published by: Nancy Ott
Arizona 03/21/2010 10:50 AM EST
Yes! The rights of individual conscience MUST BE PROTECTED! We do not want to be forced to pay taxes to fund Planned Parenthood!
Published by: jluc
windermere 03/21/2010 10:49 AM EST
Health care is a necessity, NOT a right.
The catholic church traditionally warned of the evils of collectivism (socialism and communism).
The modern day catholic church has demonstrated their naivete in their alliance with the progressive movement.
A movement whose foundations origninated from post-modernist philosophy. A philosophy that DOES NOT promote individualism and the inherent goodness of man; but rather promotes a morally vacuous and nihilistic view of mankind.
Published by: Tom
Phoenix, AZ 03/21/2010 10:48 AM EST
Oh, great, the Catholic Bishops are for "Health Care Reform" when there is nothing wrong with Health care..there is only a problem with the INSURANCE! They don't know what the problem is, apparently, but they have a solution! This is one of many reasons why I'm a recovering Catholic!
Published by: lou Schreiner
cleveland 03/21/2010 10:48 AM EST
Only when all parties work together and not try to one up each other can we move forward. Only when both sides understand and respect all human life can we get back to leading the world for the betterment of human dignity.
Published by: leonard Stewart
Blacklick, Ohio, USA 03/21/2010 10:47 AM EST
Vote no for health care bill.
Or loose your Job.....plain & simple
Published by: Jim McCarty
United States 03/21/2010 10:46 AM EST
Its about time Bishops..but where's the Pope on this??? He should be the "rock" on this and draw the line in the sand, if you vote for this and force us catholics to pay for abortions via tax dollars you are voting for death and putting us in harms way thereby you so called catholic representatives are OUT of the church. I am furious, this is not murky water here it is LIFE or DEATH!!!
Published by: Pat Buyce
Maple Valley WA, USA 03/21/2010 10:44 AM EST
AMEN!
Published by: Phyllis Benard
Pa 03/21/2010 10:44 AM EST
How can the government make me pay for something that I feel is morally wrong. I don't understand this. I believe abortion is a sin and my government is asking me to commit a sin. I guess it comes down to going to jail for not paying my taxes (abortions) or going to Hell for not paying for abortions. They talk about freedom of choice but they are not giving me the choice not to pay. They are making it a law. How can this be allowed!!! Why is Nancy Pelosi not being ex-communicated from the Catholic Church????
Published by: Ginny Haas
Ohio, USA 03/21/2010 10:35 AM EST
no wonder the sheep are falling to the wolves!!! Our shepherds won't stand up and excommunicate the likes of Pelosi, or the deceased Kennedy because they get to sit with power. The bishops should have been ranting about this for years, but as usual have done nothing. No wonder we have catholics that are pro choice and tolerate the things that pre-Vatican II would have never allowed. Anyone who votes for this bill is voting for a massive loss of freedom, the murder of our unborn American babies and the elderly since they will be deemed too costly, and a utter disregard and destruction of the Constitution (there is nothing in the Constitution that says Congress should mandate the citizen's health care). This is hands down the most corrupt administration and Congress that I've ever seen. I am ashamed and appalled at both. We want lower taxes and less regulation for job creation, for not government mandated health care!
Published by: Matthew Thompson
Boca Raton FL 03/21/2010 10:31 AM EST
With all do respect this is where talk of Universal healthcare leads Bishops. Why should government play a role in our personal lives? Christ does not talk about government interceding on the betterment of the human condition but it is upon individuals to make the world a better place. The history lesson is clear, from Rome to Hitler's Germany and now Obamacare, all that ever happens when governments have the arrogance to to supplant their will over their citizens' freedom is fortification of tyranny. No matter how you describe it. If this bill passes every man woman and child must have healthcare. If not then the IRS will come after that person or family. Citizens will be fined and they will go to jail. Does that sound like Universal Healthcare. Why was this abuse of freedom not also included in your letter, when it is not only contrary to the U.S. Constitution but to the free will God gives us? My dear bishops and fellow Christians relying on government to solve anything only gives you more problems and less freedoms. Rather by the government or the church any mandated social program is an evil. If so then why doesn't every Christian take up arms and force people into our religion. Christ gave us freedom to come to Him, to humble ourselves, and to know a life Blessed through grace. None of this is possible through subjugation. Therefore mandated healthcare, environmental reform, and redistribution of wealth are the works of the devil.
Published by: Glenn Koons
Long Beach,Ca. USA 03/21/2010 10:30 AM EST
As a Prot. pastor, I commend the Bishops. But, the facts are that Democrats rarely take into consideration Biblical, spiritual matters when it comes to public policy. The Bill will pass and it will take Prots and Catholics together to oust as many of these liberal secular socialist pacifist Dems in Nov. Thanks for your stand.
Published by: eric frederic
Orlando fl 03/21/2010 10:25 AM EST
How can the democrats speak of healthcare as a right but life is not a right.
50 million abortions since 1973.
Published by: Pierre Deslauriers
Springfield,VA,22152 03/21/2010 10:13 AM EST
The Representatives should by all means heed the sound advise of the Bishops.
Published by: Carolyn Ellenz
Tipton, KS USA 03/21/2010 10:07 AM EST
I totally agree with the Bishops' opposition to the abortion portion of the Senate bill but the fundamental bias of the bill toward socialism and loss of liberty and fundamentally changing the character of our country is just as heinous. I would hope the opposition of the Church leaders would extend beyond the abortion issue.
Published by: William Gibson
Brownsville, TX 03/21/2010 10:05 AM EST
I believe you are much to late for the Catholics of America to have any effect on this bill. It has been decided because our Catholic Church Leaders have been silent for the most part,for the past year, just as you were when the most liberal,pro-abortion President in the history of our nation was elected with the votes of Catholics. I am totally disgusted with our Leadership and most Priests and Nuns. You will sell your souls to the Devil for the promise of something free for the poor by lying politicians. When will you learn. Remember WW2 and our churches position. Please tell me of any socialist/communist government in history that was good for the Catholic Church or any christian religion. WAKE UP!!!!!!! THIS gOVERNMENT IS NOT FOR RELIGION, IT IS FOR POWER OVER THE PEOPLE. Fr Frank Pavone, Priests for Life is "ONE" Priest that I know that has done something to stop this KILLER BILL. I have heard nothing from our Bishop or any Priests in Brownsville concerning this Bill. If all of you are quiet long enough, you can claim you had nothing to do with it's passing. I pray to GOD that he will forgive us for what we Catholics have failed to do to stop abortion.
Published by: JIM LO DUCA
BROOKFIELD WI Usa 03/21/2010 10:04 AM EST
I think it is time the the Catholic Bishops take a stronger position on Congressmen and Congresswomen who openly say they are Catholics and then publicly in a Health bill vote to fund the killing of babies be publicly excommunicated from the Church. These Congress Catholic people have a highly visible profile and when they enable funding for abortions to happen they need to be highly and visibly excommunicated.
Published by: JIM LO DUCA
BROOKFIELD WI Usa 03/21/2010 10:03 AM EST
I think it is time the the Catholic Bishops take a stronger position on Congressmen and Congresswomen who openly say they are Catholics and then publicly in a Health bill vote to fund the killing of babies be publicly excommunicated from the Church. These Congress Catholic people have a highly visible profile and when they enable funding for abortions to happen they need to be highly and visibly excommunicated.
Published by: Larry Killen
Sugar Hill, GA USA 03/21/2010 10:02 AM EST
I grew up in the Catholic Church as a strong catholic but strayed shortly after leaving home. After marrying, I returned to the Church for some time but left again, during the pedophile Priest scandal. My kids were young but not too young to not be curious. I was so disgusted with the scandals and cover-ups, I decided that Satan had overtaken the Church and I would have nothing to do with it ever again.
I do pay attention to the Church and am often disappointed and completely beguiled by the Church's political stand.
“For decades,” the letter says, “the United States Catholic bishops have supported universal health care. The Catholic Church teaches that health care is a basic human right, essential for human life and dignity.”
First, I do not believe the Church or the government creates rights. To do so, I would be an atheist. Our rights have been endowed by our Creator which I believe means they have always been there. Rights are recognized-not created. Rights can never impose demands upon another. To do so, would create a privileged few. If I have a right to a car, than someone MUST provide that car to me and therefore is beholden to my demand. Those are not human rights but jungle rights, or better known as the right of might. Might can be obtained from muscle, the majority of the mob or the point of a gun. But a might does not make a right!
Published by: Tim
Lincoln, Nebraska USA 03/21/2010 10:01 AM EST
I agree with the Bishops however I am a little purplexed. Why have not the Bishops excommunicated any of these "Catholic" politicians? Nancy Pelosi believes abortion should be a Sacrament. Vice President Biden called himself the First Irish Catholic VP but openly states women have the right to choose and should be paid for with tax dollars.Teddy Kennedy ,oh my, where do you start? I could go on and on. Our Parrish Priest tells us at every Mass that we should to pray the Rosary at the abortion clinic.Why ?
Published by: Pat Fitzpatrick
San Clemente, CA 03/21/2010 10:01 AM EST
The USCCB is right to oppose this health care reform bill and are wrong in their assertion that health care is a basic human right. This bill and all socialism, including universal health care is wrong according to the Roman Catholic Church. The Catholic Church has a long history of providing health care to people that can not afford it throughout the world. It's called "charity". We, as Catholics, are required by Jesus Christ to provide resources and care to those in need. Involving a government in a role that can easily be corrupted is dangerous to those of us that wish to have a limited government, so we are able to have freedoms, unincumbered by the anti-God administrations. Limited government is the key to keep people free to provide charity to the least of of brothers and sisters. As you grow government, you grow corruption and you but a barrier between man and God.
This is not just me belief, it is the belief of the Roman Catholic Church.
Here is the position of the Vatican and Roman Catholic Church:
It’s not just abortion that should drive Catholics away from Obama.
Many people are not aware that the Catholic Church also opposes socialism and mandated wealth redistribution for 3 main reasons:
1. It robs the lawful posessor of the wealth (stealing) 2. It hurts the recipient in the end (they should be entitled to hope for and to keep whatever wealth they acquire too) 3. It distorts the role of the state
Published by: Carl A. Frederick Jr.
Oxford, Ohio USA 03/21/2010 09:56 AM EST
As Catholic members of Congress, these members should remember their teachings that abortion is against their religion and if they as Catholics vote for the Healthcare Bill today 3/21/2010, then they should expect to be excommunicated from their religion for going against the beliefs of the Catholic Faith which they say they follow and believe in and annually they take the pledge to follow the faith. If they decide to ignore the Bishops and Cardinals, then they should expect to be excommunicated and expect the consequences.
Published by: Lawrence Townley
Rio Rancho/NM/USA 03/21/2010 09:56 AM EST
I pray my congressman (Ray Lujan) heeds this plea from those who represent my beliefs and changes his vote to NO for the sake of the defenseless unborn. The protection of the unborn is paramount!!!!
Published by: Leo Rasca
Salem, Oregon/USA 03/21/2010 09:52 AM EST
I applaud the Bishops in standing for life.
Citizens need not support abortion, that is contray to naturallaw, through taxes.
Supposedly stewards of the people, stop the immorality of your descion-making rasoning!
Remember, "liberty and justice for all"!
If a "few are denied liberty and justice
regarding life, dignity, and conscience, then there is no "liberty and justice for all"!
We ask the power of God, the Creator of Life, to touch the minds, hearts, and spirit of those men and women in the House to vote "No" on the bill that is TOO FLAWED to become law of the Land.
Otherwise, our land will continue to be soaked with innocent blood.
We pray that President Obama be the Just and Life President he is meant to become.
In the NAME of JESUS, we pray!
Published by: gneubeck
Lynn Haven, FL, USA 03/21/2010 09:48 AM EST
For those Congressional Pro-Lifers who are sufficiently gullible to to accept Obama's commitment to issue an Executive Order to uphold the Hyde Amendment, perhaps a brief review of Obama's legislative record is in order. Obama, the most pro-abortion president ever to occupy the White House, while serving in the Illinois Legislature was the ONLY Legislator to speak in favor of terminating the lives of babies who had survived a blotched abortion, referring to them as "medical waste". It seems that Obama was able to vote "Present" on every issue except abortion, on which, he was a 100% Pro-Choicer. His wife Michelle,summarized the issue quite well ,when speaking to a woman's Pro-Choice forum, when she assured the attendees with: "Barack will be tireless in keeping legal the practice of partial birth abortions". Perhaps no one has framed Obama more accurately than Bill Clinton when he stated of Obama: "He's simply a typical Chicago thug." After many months of being exposed to Obama's legendary mis-representations of facts, Congressional Representatives rely on Obama's assurances at their own peril. In brief, we've simply moved Chicago politics to the White House. Greg Neubeck
Published by: Thomas McFadden
McLean, VA 22101 03/21/2010 09:45 AM EST
In a letter to Congress, the U.S. Bishops have asserted that "The Catholic Church teaches that health care is a basic human right, essential for human life and dignity." Just WHERE in the authentic Magisterium is it taught that the citizens of a country may be compelled to pay for the basic human rights of anyone and everyone? Which of those Bishops has ever held a real job and paid taxes to support the Welfare State.
Published by: Odile H. Williams
The Village FL USA 03/21/2010 09:45 AM EST
These Bishops didn't go find a basin and wash their hands of guilt, as Pilate did. The have not augmented a purse as Judas did . There were lives to be saved; tiny girls and boys growing ones ,and slowly declining ones all of them male and female of the human species.
Freedom would be taken away more than just incrementally ."Legislation Without Representatiion".
Published by: Lou
USA 03/21/2010 09:33 AM EST
I guess it's time for the Catholic church to lose tax exempt status. They are just another PAC.
Published by: DrEdu
Keansburg/NJ/USA 03/21/2010 09:26 AM EST
Every decent American must oppose this Bill.
Whether you are Catholic, a non Catholic, or a non believer, this Bill negates the notion that ALL INDIVIDUALS ARE EQUAL, and forces us to become SPONSORS OF ABORTION.
The Media has made it one of its goals to speak of ‘reproductive rights’, but the Media NEVER mentions anything about the Human Embryo. That by itself is remarkable.
I am a scientist (a Pediatrician with two Doctorates in Developmental Biology). I tell you that it is a FACT that the Human Embryo, from implantation onwards, is an individual of the Human Species.
Abortion is the willful killing of a defenseless Human.
I urge our Representatives to protect the lives of these pre-born babies and to respect our consciences: by passing this bill you will make each of us SPONSORS OF ABORTION.
I commend the Catholic Bishops for urging you to do the same.
Published by: Floyd Barber
New York 03/21/2010 09:25 AM EST
TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE! Where has the USCCB been on this issue for the past 6 months? Absolutely incompetent. You missed the poortunity to stop this bill and now you must feel the result of that. Not one more penny will I EVER put into the collection basket at Mass. Not one more penny.
Published by: Michael
Wilmington, DE 03/21/2010 09:22 AM EST
I am afraid that this is too little, too late. I belong to a Church where Vice-President BIden reguarly attends Mass. He receives communion. He conducts himself, however, in the political world as an unabashed pro-choice politician. He has repeatedly said that the Senate bill wil not result in tax dollars being used to cover abortions. We know that is not true. Where is the guts on the part of the bishops to say to Biden that if you can't follow our teachings, find another Church? He has had this pro-choice position for 36 years. Another example of this approach is Senator Bob Casey. He says al the right buzzword about pro-life. But, he is one of the authors of this provision. Where is Cardinal Rigali denouncing Casey? My point is that too many of our Curch heiarchy are themselves impressed with titles of Senator, Vice-President etc. I have concluded that they are, by and large, weak and ineffectual. They are afraid to speak truth to power and this, sadly, is the current state of our Church's affairs. Throw in the never ending sex scandals invlving youths,
To allow such pro-abortion hacks as Nancy Pelosi to have audiences with the Pope and to have the likes of Ted Kennedy eulogized in the Church tels me one thing: the Church values access to power and money more than it cares about the principles contained in this letter. Throw into the mix the sex abuse saga that never ends and I say we are ready for a second Reformation. The bishops brought all this on themselves.
Published by: Kathryn Faherty
Sparta, NJ 03/21/2010 09:14 AM EST
Dear Bishops,
Thank you for writing to the Congress and asking them not to pass this bill.
Abortion is not the only reason to defeat this bill. The Senate plan does contain death panels. Please do not mistake socialism for charity. Socialism is about power. It has no provision for the dignity of the human person. The Catholic understanding of social justice cannot be reconciled to a socialist's view of social justice.
Please be more careful with your support of nationalized heath care in the future.
In Christ,
Kathryn Faherty
Published by: yani horan
chester,ct. 03/21/2010 09:13 AM EST
Abortion is not a health problem, so I oppose it for that reason, and also I'm a Catholic who believes in the right to life. Any senator voting other wise is a hypocrite.
Published by: pat mxcoy
coon rapids 03/21/2010 09:13 AM EST
AMEN !
Published by: William Marsden
Mancos, CO USA 03/21/2010 09:09 AM EST
I commend the signers and the USCCB for their continued effort to open the eyes of our representatives in Congress to the fact that the bill before them today does not protect life and conscience; it does indeed threaten them. I hope and pray that there still are members of the House among the "undecideds" who will open their hearts and minds to this plea.
Published by: rosa
new york, NY/USA 03/21/2010 09:09 AM EST
This bill is for funding of abortion, which goes against many Americans beliefs. We do not want a healthcare bill that supports abortion funding!
Published by: Michael Bardini, MEV
Roseville, CA 03/21/2010 09:09 AM EST
Its not too late to turn this around. Vote on a bill that does what the federal government is primarily charged with doing, protecting life...not finding new ways to use tax dollars to end it..
Published by: adam sweet
south hadley, ma, usa 03/21/2010 09:05 AM EST
What happened to the separation of church and state?
Published by: Meg
md usa 03/21/2010 09:04 AM EST
Quiet funny to hear a lady named Slaughter compart this bill to 17 months of pregnancy now's the time to give birth at the same time she wants abortion on demand!! Why to use the presidents words "Burden" us with this monstrosity abort the bill not the babies
Published by: Martin Gray
South Miami, FL, USA 03/21/2010 09:04 AM EST
Instead of words, how about "excommunication" for legislators who vote yes for this bill.
Published by: DeDe
ny, ny 03/21/2010 09:01 AM EST
A large group of Catholic nuns has come out in support of the current health care reform bill, saying it is not inconsistent with a pro-life position as it will improve the health and prolong the lives of many Americans. The nuns actions were dismissed by Sen. Stupak on the "Hardball" show. He said only the bishops speak for the church to the US Senate. Stupaks' position reveals the discriminatory power structure of the Church. Women cannot rise to be priests, bishops, or any other higher position in the Church. And only the Bishops can speak for the Church on abortion..The Catholic Church continues to abuse their power, by denying women advancement or a voice in policy, and by the epidemic of predatory sexual assault on minors by priests. Now, they are telling Catholic senators and congressmen that a vote for health care reform is a vote against the will of the Church. Shame on the bishops.
Published by: james myrick
hazel green al 03/21/2010 08:55 AM EST
thank you for your stand. I fear it falls on deaf ears. although i don't agree with all issues addressed in your letter such as those concerning illegal aliens, i do believe we need to help those that are here. one needs to help oneself when able. And an unborn child has no such protection.
Published by: Cheryl Himelright
Memphs,TN 03/21/2010 08:55 AM EST
I am praying that you will make the right decision and one that you will not regret
Published by: Paul Hunton
Pittsburgh, PA 03/21/2010 08:53 AM EST
It is time for the Catholic Church to stand up and express more than regret. As I Catholic Christian, I assent to Church doctrine that anyone who obtains an abortion excommunicates themselves from the Church and the eternal beatitude.
I am now going to be forced by the "catholic" Speaker of the House" to pay for abortions (mortal sin) without my consent. The USCCB, and every individual bishop across the United States need to assert our doctrine on Catholics in government. Every Catholic in Congress must be informed that by their single public act of voting for this monstrous bill, they are EXCOMMUNICATED from the Catholic Church. They are ANATHEMA. They will receive NO sacraments, save reconciliation from which must follow a public recantation of their support for this public sin and concrete action to repeal it. That without such reconciliation, they have condemned themselves to Hell. Nancy Pelosi should be the first so informed.
Whatever the cost, the Church must stand up for her teachings - because they are not hers, but God's through Jesus Christ his Son. The Church, even if it must suffer persecution (or even martyrdom), must stand on her teachings. If she will not, then perhaps we are rapidly approaching the Great Scandal that will rock it prior to the Parousia.
Published by: Dave
Billings MT 03/21/2010 08:49 AM EST
Universal health care a human right? Where is that deemed? Is that in the Catholic version of the Bible? What a crock. Health care in America is available to EVERYONE! I'm sorry if not everyone can pay their bill. That is not MY problem. It is not moral for the government to steal my money to pay for others, plain and simple. If the Bishops want to play around with the devil of Socialism/Communisim then they are going to get burned. This social gospel BS is what has gotten us in the mess we're in.
Published by: Mike Halligan
Avoca Michigan USA 03/21/2010 08:46 AM EST
This is what you get when you vote for Communists, err I mean Socialists, I mean Democrats or what ever these people call themselves these days. You get a group of murderers who have butchered 50 million babies since Rowe vs Wade.
Now we get to pay for it, wonderful
Mike Halligan
Published by: Dr. C.L.O'Rourke
Fresno,CA USA 03/21/2010 08:46 AM EST
The Bishops may be too late!
We MUST pray to Our Lady of America....
Published by: Lynn Andrews
Kerrville TX USA 03/21/2010 08:46 AM EST
Thank God for you! Bravo!
Published by: Chrysa Fulchiero
Dayton, OH, USA 03/21/2010 08:40 AM EST
I applaud the Catholic Bishops for opposing this health care plan. The abortion bill is especially heinous and even if the church can agree with some of the elements of the bill, by opposing the plan they are being role models for the rest of the catholic community.
Published by: Catholic
Florida 03/21/2010 08:34 AM EST
The Catholic church better get down on their knees and pray this bill does not pass. Our taxes will be so punishing it will mean an end to tithing and weekly contributions. The average American Catholic can not support a wildly spending government and the church. Take your pick bishops of America.
Published by: DC
Weatherford, Texas 03/21/2010 08:34 AM EST
The Catholic Bishops have responded; so what do the Bishops, Superintendents, Pastors of the mainline churches of America (UMC, UPC, LCA, UCC, ECA,) have to say about this issue?
Published by: Frank McNamara
Bolton, MA USA 03/21/2010 08:30 AM EST
Three cheers for the Catholic Bishops! The institutional Church takes a lot of heat from the secular press, and sometimes deservedly so, but when the chips are down, when all other institutions have folded or fled or missed the point, the Catholic Church is there shining the light of truth on the human condition.
Published by: Carol Mulshine
Brielle,NJ 03/21/2010 08:29 AM EST
Dear Catholic Bishops of the USA,
Thank you -it took you long enough!
I have been praying to St. Michael the
Archangel to defend us in this battle!
I think you may have just had his guidance...finally! I am Pro-Life as you and he helps to defend it. Keep
up the good work you are doing!
God bless you all!
Best wishes,
Carol Mulshine
Published by: ernest lopez
bryan tx usa 03/21/2010 08:23 AM EST
Cardinal Dinardo should ex-communicate congress woman Pelosi and vp Biden.He should make this announcement at a press conference on the steps of congress.
Published by: Michael Kriegel
United States 03/21/2010 08:21 AM EST
If the Church were to do the right thing and excommunicate Pelosi, Kerry and all pro abortion Catholics in Congress it MIGHT do some good.
Published by: sam
san antonio, texas 03/21/2010 08:20 AM EST
Too little, too late.
The Church should have excommunicated Nancy Pelosi and several other public figures for pushing abortion as an example and warning.
Published by: dick obrien
naples fl 03/21/2010 08:17 AM EST
finally the Bishops have spoken. when are the Bishops going to excommunicate our public officials who promote abortion? 50 yrs ago i attended Mass when the Pastor did such to a woman for commiting adultery. where is the spine in the Curch today?
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Published by: L.Lara R.
chgo IL USA 03/21/2010 08:12 AM EST
Shouldn't the bishops be thinking about the scandals in the church rather than social issues like abortion?
Frankly these are guys that have chosen a life without children. So to ask an age old question, what do they know?
And frankly those living A REAL life do not care what these bishops think.
Published by: Kyle Storm
Athens, OH 03/21/2010 08:09 AM EST
This is ridiculous. There is no federal funding of abortion and the Hyde Amendment is staying as is. Private insurers will be allowed to provide coverage, but only through riders and separate checks.
It is distasteful that the Bishops want to prevent 32 million more Americans from gaining access to health care and are putting up a red herring to do so.
The facts are out there and the Bishops are wrong. Shameful.
Published by: Richard L Finn
Kansas City, MO USA 03/21/2010 08:06 AM EST
I wish to commend the Bishops for this principled stand and the public manner in which it has been communicated. I hope that you will be as outspoken in the coming efforts to repeal this misguided legislation.
Published by: ktr
Ohio 03/21/2010 08:06 AM EST
I know for a fact that catholic staff people in Toledo voted to put obama in to office. Even ones at higher positions. I do not understand why they did not stand up to oppose obama then. Did they think that he would really be any different than what we are seeing? It is almost hyppocritical to take some stance now that should have been taken prior to obama's election. I hope that religious people did not sell their morals for welfare when they thought that someone else would get stuck with the bill! Welfare is the biggest drug addiction in this country and unfortunately many catholics supported obama. You have yourselves to blame for all this anti christian sentiment. I am still a strong stranding, proud of my faith christian and people know it. Where are the rest of you?
Published by: Dan Gansky
Tomball, TX 03/21/2010 08:03 AM EST
Why did the Catholic News Service tell the voters during the campaign, that on abortion there was no difference between McCain and Obama?
Published by: Ken
Illinois 03/21/2010 08:01 AM EST
They should not support the bill at all! Nothing about it is pro-life. It's been shown that there will be rationing of health-care. The government, not God, will decide who lives and who dies! Those who choose not to have insurance by choice could go to jail. What's Catholic about forcing someone to do something against their will?
Published by: Renny
NJ 03/21/2010 08:00 AM EST
Abortion is a major interest of Obama. He voted to let babies surviving abortion be left to starve and die while he was in IL, and one of his FIRST acts as president was an executive order reversing Bush' stand--something presidents do not usually do: obliterate another president's executive order.
But Obama does not care about tradition, morality, or life. He thinks he is a king who can yell, "Off with their heads!"
The nation is not behind him, but he has turned his back on America, on religion, on decency in order to pass legislation to take over the most private moments of people's lives through their medical histories and needs.
Neither abortion nor conscience nor American liberty makes any difference to the left-wing radicals.
And this is a warning to Catholicism and all religions: the so-called liberals are hostile and aggressively so against anyone's faith. The socialist ideal of atheism and triumph of the state is the ultimate goal, and this health care abomination is one step closer to totalitarianism.
Published by: John Brown
Harper's Ferry, WV 03/21/2010 07:59 AM EST
This is bigger than slavery. Once you take a life, you can never manumit.
Published by: Angelo Rodriguez
Mchenry,IL. USA 03/21/2010 07:57 AM EST
Perhaps, the USCCB should consider this matter grounds for severing those legislators who vote for this bill from the body of our Church. Let's stand up and defend our beliefs with powerful action.
Published by: Layla
Not one I recognize 03/21/2010 07:57 AM EST
Let me understand this...healthcare at MY expense is the basic right of another? I think Jesus meant to teach by example, by hope and charity and not by force.
Not sure he would approve of our actions now or the Church coddling Congressman/women who support abortion. By not standing up to them long before now, you have permitted this to be the status quo for years.
Published by: Cindy Merrill
Richmond,KY 03/21/2010 07:56 AM EST
My aunt, an RN, told me that every doctor she's talked to plan to drop ALL their Medicare patients if this bill passes- and 39 said the'll retire early.
Published by: J. Lokey
Woodbridge, VA 03/21/2010 07:50 AM EST
I continue to admire those who stand on moral principle founded on strong faith. Sadly, those representing us also know there is no consequence for them to reject this argument because the institutional church spinelessly cowers in acting to preserve these principles. No wonder our society is morally crumbling around us. Doesn't Canonic Law require excommunication for these acts? If there are no consequences for breaking a moral dictum, then it was irrelevant in the first place. I stand firm with God. I am less certain these days of the church.
Published by: Goodtymes
USA Florida 03/21/2010 07:49 AM EST
If this passes with their pro-abortion stand included withhold communion from those that support abortion starting with pelosi and kennedy, action speaks louder than little words
Published by: Geine Buchanan
North Augusta, SC 03/21/2010 07:48 AM EST
I am afraid it is another case of the Bishops acting "Too Little, Too Late."
My grandson is to be confirmed this evening and I intend to give the Bishop of our diocese a letter concerns with the inaction of the Bishops to condemn Catholic Politicians who publicly defy Church teachings and promote abortion. This can not continue. The Bishops and the Pope need to draw a line in the sand. We can not continue to let the innocents to be slaughtered and call ourselves Christians and Catholics.
Published by: Michael McFalls
Asheville N.C. USA 03/21/2010 07:47 AM EST
God is watching, stand tall for freedom
Published by: Chris Chiappetta
Virginia, USA 03/21/2010 07:47 AM EST
Good for the Bishops for speaking up. It is a good letter that is very respectful and honestly written. I wish it were a little stronger. Lets hope our congressmen will listen and pass up this bill for a much better one
Published by: Bernard O'Haskins
South Boston, MA 03/21/2010 07:42 AM EST
If you are not going to live & work by the teachings of your church, why would you identify youself as a Catholic? Either you are in or you are out! Hmmm . . . Divorce? No Problem! Abortion? No Problem! Adultery? No Problem! Regular attendance? No Problem! Tithe? No Problem! It is certainly sad, once again, to read that the Catholic bishops do not have the moral courage to back up their letter by excommunicating any & all members of the House & Senate who vote to pass this legislation. The bishops continually posture themselves as making threats to discipline. Once again, though, they are not willing to follow through with church discipline or excommunication. Once again, they demonstrate a hollow authority with their unwillingness to take action to discipline their members for clear & blatant violations of church teaching, as well as enacting laws that lead people to have to live in violation of those teachings. Why call yourself Catholic if you are not going to submit to ALL the teachings of the church. Is it a church with specific rules or a cafeteria style menu you can pick & choose from? (Ooops! For a moment I started to think abou the way the members of Congress are also treating The Constitution & how the voters across the U.S. will pass judgement upon them to excommunicate them from Washingtonin NOVEMBER 2010) Ultimately, God will pass His judgement upon each of us.
Published by: steve schneider
perry hall md usa 03/21/2010 07:40 AM EST
For decades the Catholic Bishops have supported the democratic party whle railing against abortion. Now we see the results of their support.
Published by: Greyghost
Eastern Shore, MD 03/21/2010 07:39 AM EST
The Catholic Bishops seem to always be the last to get it. . . the healthcare bill is an abortion bill.
Right to the end, the Bishops were big in their support of healthcare, not a wimper against it, until the final hour. Now they pull their support without a fight to stop the legislation. So, what we have learned is. . . Bishops must believe universal healthcare trumps abortion, on paper they say their against abortion, but they let the abortion bill slip through without any real resistance.
Once the Bishops determined that saving souls is not their primary Catholic mission, they are only left with second tier social initiatives as their moral goal. It is here that they get vanished to the back pew.
The Bishops are the problem, not the solution. The congregation knows there is no moral authority from the US Bishops.
Next up for the B's, immigration reform.
Published by: Russell Haak
Round Hill, VA 03/21/2010 07:37 AM EST
If you are not going to live & work by the teachings of your church, why would you identify youself as a Catholic? Either you are in or you are out! Hmmm . . . Divorce? No Problem! Abortion? No Problem! Adultery? No Problem! Regular attendance? No Problem! Tithe? No Problem! It is certainly sad, once again, to read that the Catholic bishops do not have the moral courage to back up their letter by excommunicating any & all members of the House & Senate who vote to pass this legislation. The bishops continually posture themselves as making threats to discipline. Once again, though, they are not willing to follow through with church discipline or excommunication. Once again, they demonstrate a hollow authority with their unwillingness to take action to discipline their members for clear & blatant violations of church teaching, as well as enacting laws that lead people to have to live in violation of those teachings. Why call yourself Catholic if you are not going to submit to ALL the teachings of the church. Is it a church with specific rules or a cafeteria style menu you can pick & choose from? (Ooops! For a moment I started to think abou the way the members of Congress are also treating The Constitution & how the voters across the U.S. will pass judgement upon them to excommunicate them from Washingtonin NOVEMBER 2010) Ultimately, God will pass His judgement upon each of us.
Published by: oh-well!
Columbia, SC 03/21/2010 07:33 AM EST
I used to be Catholic and this is what happens when you think that man can give us rights, if man can give us rights, then man can take those rights away. I pray I'm wrong, but I think this is a sad day for America.
Published by: Inomine
Sioux Falls/SD/USA 03/21/2010 07:32 AM EST
Deo Gratias!
Published by: David
Lynnfield, Massachusetts 03/21/2010 07:28 AM EST
The US Bishops need to back up their statement with ACTION in the event that the health care bill is passed as is.
If abortion is truly the taking of a human life and an abomination in the eyes of God, the US Bishops should excommunicate the pro-abortion "Catholic" politicians who voted to enshrine taxpayer funded abortions into law.
Published by: Kirk
Orlando 03/21/2010 07:27 AM EST
It's time for the church to play hardball!
For years we cowtowed to the likes of Kerry and Kennedy while they encouraged late term abortion! While they voted to allow murder! It's time to deny the sacraments...deny, and excommunicate the pro-murderers!
Late term abortion.... euthanasia....Obama...
don't democrats just kill ya!
Published by: JC
Azle,Texas 03/21/2010 07:25 AM EST
A moral appeal to an a-moral Congress and executive national leadership which seek nothing more than power over providence.
Published by: Mrs Judy K DeAngelis
Groaae Ile, MI, USA 03/21/2010 07:23 AM EST
thank you, dear Bishops for defending life so thoughtfully. But I fear the sound may be "just a voice crying in the wilderness" prepare the way of the unborn. We will keep praying & hoping.
Published by: Timothy L. Pennell
Middlebury/Ct./U.S.A. 03/21/2010 07:22 AM EST
You're wasting your breath. LIBERALISM is their Religion. ABORTION is the Sacrament. They follow a man who HAS NO CHURCH. He's been in D.C. for a YEAR, and has never gone to Church. They follow a man who REFUSED TO SPEAK at Georgetown University, unless all references to CHRIST, in the room, were either COVERED or REMOVED. They follow a man who VOTED REPEATEDLY, to deny money, for the purposes of GIVING MEDICAL ATTENTION to LITTLE BABIES who had SURVIVED the ABORTIONISTS' KNIFE.
"And I saw the BEAST rise up from the SEA. And he was given a 'MOUTH' to speak HAUGHTY and BLASPHEMOUS words. And he was allowed to exercise authority for FORTY TWO MONTHS."
This is who we're dealing with. He is the GREAT DECIEVER. They're naming MOUNTAINS after him, in the Caribbean. He's being painted ON THE CROSS, by Artists. The African Bishops believe that GOD has sent him to us. He is an ENEMY of ISRAEL, and a FRIEND to her ENEMIES. What does the BIBLE say about THAT?
He's definitely 'THE ONE'. But he's NOT "THE ONE we've been waiting for", like he said on his campaign trail, (Blasphemous words), he THE ONE we've been FOREWARNED of.
What part of all of this, do you NOT understand?
Published by: mike bolognese
north wales, PA USA 03/21/2010 07:19 AM EST
how sad that Catholic Schools and parishes have mentioned little to nothing about this...untold billions of children's lives are at stake
Published by: Gene
Hoboken, NJ 03/21/2010 07:19 AM EST
Our bishops should have been very aggressively opposing this fiasco called health care. It is nothing more than a bill to make abortions easier and a huge tax increase. Taxes for 10 years and benefits for 4. The whole thing is a con game.
The bishops kept sending mixed messages; we DO want the bill; we DO NOT want the bill with abortion.
Obama is the most ardent abortion supporter ever in the White House; he is a constant liar and yet the bishops kept trying to have it both way trying to deal with him!
It is time they all stand and become like the great Archbishop Burke and exercise the Canons of the Church and rid us of Pelosi who is a disgrace.
Pray to God that this abomination fails!
Published by: A Kumpf
Pittsurgh PA USA 03/21/2010 07:09 AM EST
In PA out of the 10 Dems in Congress 8 of them are Roman Catholic. Mike Doyle is voting for this bill and I cannot see why as a Catholic he could vote for it. How can you sin so blatently?? Jason Altmire and Dahlkemper are not voting for it. Kudos to them for standing up & being brave. It's awful they are even voting on this on a Holy Day!!!
Published by: Richard Prudlo
Virginia 03/21/2010 07:02 AM EST
The Catholic Bishops statement, although proper and correct, goes not far enough. It should further provide for automatic excommunication from the Church and dispose in the minds of the electorate that "Catholic" legislators are free to do as they please and benefit from the Sacraments of Holy Mother Church. Plainly speaking: You are now no longer a member in good standing.
Published by: Mark Wyzalek
Macon GA 03/21/2010 07:01 AM EST
Thank you Bishops for taking this firm stand!
Published by: Doug
NC, USA 03/21/2010 06:56 AM EST
What if our congress representatives do not learn about the Bishops' position at this last hour?
Published by: Stephen
Bronson, FL USA 03/21/2010 06:55 AM EST
This Congress and President couldn't care less as to what the American people or Catholic Bishops think. Nothing short of a DIVINE MIRACLE will stop this TERRIBLE bill now and it's gonna be real interesting to see if tens of MILLIONS of PRO-LIFE Christians will continue to PAY their TAXES to help FUND the MURDER of unborn children. This is a VERY SAD DAY for this ONCE GREAT nation.
Published by: carry
Boston, Mass USA 03/21/2010 06:53 AM EST
The Catholic Church ALLOWS Pro Abortion Democrats..to take Communion, use them for political Gains...while the REAL Catholics struggle daily to Obey the Rules and MAKE SACRIFICES.. It is a little Late to expectr These Politicians who USE their loose affiliation as a Catholic to LISTEN...
TOO LITTLE TOO LATE
Published by: Jim
St.Louis,Mo. 03/21/2010 06:51 AM EST
perhaps the Catholic Church should do something with the so called Catholic congressman who support pro-choice legislation, year after year after year.
Start with the speaker of the House, but if the Church refuses to ex-communicate these congressman then they get what they deserve, a broken, divided church. Lets not forget Catholic's put Obama in with 57%, I think we have a problem with the teachers and maybe not the students
Published by: Bernard/Myriam Trescavage
Falls Church, Virginia 03/21/2010 06:50 AM EST
We support the Catholic Bishops and opposition to this health thing. Thomas Jefferson Warned of an Oppressive Government. He is quoted as saying, "I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive." Now, we are faced with this Great Oppression, and its immorality. We support Bart Stupak, his colleagues, and the Republicans in opposing this Obamacare thing.
Published by: Frank
Niamtic, CT, USA 03/21/2010 06:48 AM EST
Speaker Pelosi will pay dearly for this laps of conscience. She, and her party see black as white, and have the arrogance to trash the constitutional democracy we have gained in the last two hundred years. May God help her.
Published by: jerry schmutte
waukesha, WI USA 03/21/2010 06:46 AM EST
The bishops have long since lost all credibility. The left mocks them all the while it uses them to get liberals elected via CCHD contributions to ACORN and the like. The right sees through their statist, socialist agenda. The only credibility the bishops maintain is with the mushy middle who don't have a clue what's going on.
Published by: jim marshall
atlanta ga 03/21/2010 06:45 AM EST
One suggestion for the Catholic Church..
Why not excommunicate the Catholic politicans such as pelosi if they vote for this bill??
Published by: Bernard/Myriam Trescavage
Falls Church, Virginia 03/21/2010 06:41 AM EST
We are Opposed to Obamacare and its Immoral provision on abortion. We support Bart Stupak and his brave colleagues. Please, please inform Mr. Stupak of our support and to be firm in their opposition. We thank you.
Published by: Rick
Alhambra, California, USA 03/21/2010 06:35 AM EST
The Bishops have 1 of 2 choices. 1) Excommunicate every Demoncrate that votes for this bill or 2) Admit that they to are part of murdering babies. there is no middle ground here it's time for the Bishops to put up or shut up! To follow the Bible or step a side.
Published by: Paul L Shea
Fitchburg, MA 03/21/2010 06:30 AM EST
Why don't the bishops stop procrastinating and excommunicate those who vote for the bill.
Published by: Rick Fambrini
Franklin, PA 03/21/2010 06:29 AM EST
The bishops make a very strong point but it is too little and much too late. They should have come out with this statement 6 months ago with follow-ups each week. My guess that the members of the House, though they received their letter, have not read it and will not see it until after the vote.
Published by: robert smith
venice, fl. usa 03/21/2010 06:28 AM EST
Don't no think for one minute that the left will consider where the community of faith people stand on this issue.
The left has total comptempt for people of faith.
Published by: Elaine
New Haven, CT 03/21/2010 06:28 AM EST
For months, I have been praying that the Catholic Church return to its pro-life roots.
This letter appears to be too little, too late.
The Church has allowed Catholics who support partial birth abortions such as Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, John Kerry, and the late Ted Kennedy (who helped draft the bill) to be their spokespeople for months, if not years.
I pray that this bill be defeated, but I also believe that the Church should have spoken out a lot earlier.
Published by: John Koenig
Banbury, United Kingdom 03/21/2010 06:26 AM EST
Isn't it ironic. . .the bishops keep measuring their requests against 'man-made' laws, but do not even mention that abortion would contravine Biblical law "thou shall not kill". So man-made law is put above God's law. Sorta sounds Babylonish to me. And America would be the mass-murders of the world! How sad that Jehovah's law is belittled each time.
Published by: momma
joliet, ill. 03/21/2010 06:25 AM EST
America is watching to see who votes for what. The ones that vote for this bill, we will vote out of office. It is that pure and simple. And I believe God is watching and that His blessings will fall on the ones that defend the lives of His precious babies.
Published by: JIM ASHCRAFT
PALM BAY, FL 03/21/2010 06:14 AM EST
The bishops continue to play "softball" with Catholic leaders of congress who support abortion. The bishops should take the lead of Archbishop Burke and play "hardball" along with canon law!
Published by: Jeanne Haddad
JACKSONVILLE, FL, USA 03/21/2010 06:13 AM EST
What a beautiful, clear statement of position. As an American catholic, I totally concur with the USCCB. We can only pray that at least 2 or 3 members of congress will listen and change their vote from "yes" to "no".
Published by: Paige Erickson
Loveland, CO, USA 03/21/2010 06:03 AM EST
Thank you for this clear, specific, and beautiful response to the horror of the Senate health care bill. I continue to pray for the defeat of this bill and the sanctity of the human being in America.
Sincerely,
Prof. Paige Erickson
Published by: janet
centreville, Va 03/21/2010 05:52 AM EST
Thank goodness the Bishops have spoken but Pelosi,et al most likely won't listen. Everytime she proclaims her Catholic religion I get sick. She is a joke as are any of the other so called Catholics that vote for this bill. Unfortunately for the millions of babies who won't have a chance her mother chose life
Published by: James J. Cunningham Jr.
New Hampshire 03/21/2010 05:45 AM EST
Thank you for your opposition to this Senate Bill. Your defense of the unborn is the greatly appreciated. You are absolutely correct to oppose this Senate Bill because it provides funding for abortions. My wife and I support your position 100 percent. We pray that the Catholic members of the House of Representatives vote to reject this bill. Thank you for making the Catholic Bishop's position public.
Jim and Anna Cunningham
Published by: John McCuen
Cape Coral, Florida USA 03/21/2010 05:34 AM EST
As an active Catholic (Parish Council member, Extraordinary Minister, RCIA Team, Hospital Ministry) I am just as disgusted with the U.S. bishops as I am with the Obama evils. Our human rights come from God not Democrats or Republicans. The bishops have been too entwined for many years with the Democrats and their "social injustices" that they themselves can't even undo their own web of deceit.
Not too unlike the ongoing sex abuse scandals the bishops have put their "faith" in politics rather then the Church and the God that they are supposed to be serving. The tragic result is they lose EVERYTHING, their own faith and the respect of the Catholic laity.
They locked in with the Democrats from the very start with their erroneous view of basic human rights and campaigned along with Obama (America's most anti-Christ president). Now the bishops are left looking like the sinful fools that they are.
It's no wonder that financial contributions are down. That's merely a reflection of the laity's lack of respect and TRUST in our own misguided crew of red hats.
Faith in God, not faith in government is what these secular minded church leaders have to learn even if they themselves have to be theologically recatechized. Right now they are failing miserably, both Christ and His followers.
The bishops are to be held responsible for their efforts to bring us all here. They are the "shepherds" that ushered us through this deeply evil door to abortion.
Published by: mickeymat
Virginia 03/21/2010 05:21 AM EST
The Catholic Bishops should stop pursuing government adoption of Catholic principles at the expense of the governed. render to Caesar etc. They are harming themselves and their ability to gain support among the faithful. Communism has never worked and has always resulted in abuse of human rights yet the church continues to espouse tenets of Communism for the government of the United States. Stay out of it. You are discrediting yourselves and harming the church. I cannot in good conscience give support to an entity that subverts the Constitution of the United States and supports policies that would turn us into Venezuela.
Published by: Michael Vinca
Holley, NY 03/21/2010 05:12 AM EST
Yay for the Catholic Bishops taking a stand in an educated, well thought-out letter. Unfortunately, those who need to read it the most, those "catholic" politicians, will probably throw it away as soon as they see the letterhead.
Published by: Mike durkin
Pacifica/Calif./USA 03/21/2010 04:53 AM EST
Mrs. Speaker of the House of Representatives. The Catholic church & the public will now see who the real Catholic's in Congress by there votes. Will God Bless America? We will soon see.
Published by: John
Phoenix, AZ US 03/21/2010 04:41 AM EST
Wouldn't it have been nice for the Bishops to have asked their followers to *not* vote for the people that are imposing the mandatory abortion funding on us in the first place? The Catholic Church is getting exactly what it asked for.
Published by: American Catholic
Tx 03/21/2010 04:38 AM EST
If universal taxpayer funded healthcare is a 'right', and abortion is a 'right', then the transitive relationship is going to be established, ie, taxpayer funded abortion will be a right. The US Catholic leadership handed the Party of Death a moral sanction on healthcare while engaging in the self delusional fantasy that the outcome, socialism, would protect the sanctity and dignity of human life. Thus bishops wanted a 'moral' form of socialism, which is a contadiction, and they know it. Putting aside Catholic leaderships insincere protestations, if this healthcare bill passes, it will have done so with The moral stamp of approval from the USCCB. They wanted socialism, calling it a moral imperative. Americans ought not forget that.
Published by: HILEW
FULTON, MD 03/21/2010 04:15 AM EST
I commend the Catholic Church for taking this stand and exposing the devious "flaws" concocted by persons SWORN to uphold the Constitution. The moral character of many (most?) of our elected officials is in question as they wiggle and twist words to confuse both sides in each issue, that they might be seen as supporting both sides of the question. They represent no one while they attempt to represent everyone.
Finally, where are the voices of the other religious church leaders on this issue??
Published by: Stephen Harman
Kankakee, IL USA 03/21/2010 04:06 AM EST
QUOTE Apparently they will not even try to address the serious problems on abortion funding, conscience protection and fair treatment of immigrants
1. Funding- Wrong- Explicit prohibition in senate bill for using federal funds for abortion.(1303(b)(2)(A) Difference from House version: Senate cites Hyde Amendment instead of quoting it. Wierd example: Community Health Centers are funded under the Hyde Amendment They never have and never will provide abortion services or counselling. They do however offer a broad range of pre-and post- natal care along with a broad range of primary care servies to those who otherwise would not receive them' (The Bishops need to go visit some before they make these wild accusations;
2. Conscience protection- Wrong again - explicit language protecting conscience of individuals and institutions.(1303(b)(4)) Goes beyond House version by also stipulating that states may ban abortion plans and carriers may chose not to offer abortion coverage;
3. Immigration. Similar criticism has been leveled at house bill. Both would require illegals to buy insurance but not allow them federal subsidies to afford it. May not be fair but both versions of the bill are about changing healthcare for our citizens. So why criticize just the senate bill? The Bishops should know this. This point seems a bit disingenuous and misleading.
Published by: Lavaux
Montreux, CH 03/21/2010 03:28 AM EST
While I support the Bishops' stand against abortion, I oppose them on them on universal health care because the claim that it is a "human right" is fatuous. Why? Because America's capacity to meet the obligation of providing universal health care falls below its ability to do so in a way that "truly protects the life, dignity, consciences and health of all".
For example, when Rep. Stupak revealed the Democrat leaders' arguments that increasing abortions would cut costs to the new health care system by reducing claims to benefits, the Bishops got a peek into their anti-human, statist mentality. Taking the next logical step, how do the Bishops suppose such people would ration services once the predicted budget and doctor shortages kick in?
Bishops don't crunch numbers, so I wouldn't expect them to understand that Medicare & Medicaid already pay out more than they take in, and Social Security will do the same in 2017. Adding another multi-trillion dollar entitlement to these three insolvent programs will force hard choices on employers, taxpayers and lawmakers, and we all know who gets thrown under the bus when hard choices are made: The poor, the weak and the defenseless. Universal health care will only hasten this day of reckoning.
Therefore, rather than advocating that the state take over their mission, I advise the Bishops to get smart and start raising money for the day - coming soon - when the federal government makes deep cuts to all entitlement programs.
Published by: ansefam
Talla/FL/USA 03/21/2010 03:23 AM EST
Have you ever listened to a baby's heartbeat while in the womb? Ever sat beside an 'ol white head an listened to the wisdom available? There are many examples of both being productive and benefitial in life. Except for the selfish here and now desires why deny their dignity and natural rights. If we each would consider ourselves at either point we would desire such. And I'm not even Catholic. Eph.2:8-9
Published by: Steven
San Jose, CA 03/21/2010 03:10 AM EST
Right On Bishops ! At least one protestant (me) stands with you. protect life, should be our creed, sadly rich government contracts, under the table kickbacks & downright greed seems to be ruling the day. We need to vote all those rascals out. lets have a voter revolution & all of us get out & vote for Life. Shame on Congress for thinking that they can kill babies, whats next? Old people? God help us ! Also, they have wasted the better part of a year on this issue.
Published by: Joe American 1776
USA 03/21/2010 02:45 AM EST
Thank you Lord. God Bless our Troops, God Bless America, and God Bless those who can convince enough to vote NO on the health care reform bill. Thank you Bishops, a bit late, but with HIS willingness, maybe just in time. Maybe with HIS help we can move the health care reform debate back to the people, and not the politicians and special interests in Washington. Time will tell. All Americans want reform, but only a reform that protects all, and can be accepted and understood. We do not need a bill that needs arm twisting, corruption and lies to be passed. HE does not approve of any of this. Americans know this, but for some unknown reason Washington can't see this.......
Thank you Lord.
Published by: Gary
Cedar Park, TX 03/21/2010 02:33 AM EST
I'm afraid Bishops it's a little to late. At present the majority of congressmen are under the spell of the Devil. Unless y'all perform and exorcism I'm afraid health care will pass.
Published by: Mother of 3
Australia 03/21/2010 02:31 AM EST
I watch with great interest in how your politicians will vote.
I seriously doubt they have the interests of a baby conceived from a "mistake".
No, their egos and need for power will see how little an innocent life rates in your community.
Published by: MERIDETH
STOCKTON, CA 03/21/2010 02:27 AM EST
I support the USCCB 100%. Life should be protected at all costs from conception to natural death.
As for the illegal immigrants, well, their children, if no one else should at the very minimum receive health-care!! After all, attend the same schools as our children and their health is very important to our children, especially when you consider communicable diseases.
We should not be forced to pay for or subsidize genocide!! The unborn are lives at their weakest point which need our love, nurture and above all, our protection.
We pray for you Rep. Stupak. keep up the good fight.
Published by: Marty E
Robinson, TX USA 03/21/2010 02:18 AM EST
God's will works in unknown ways. May almighty God protect our ntion from this bill.
Published by: Robert Birch
Bryan, TX 03/21/2010 02:13 AM EST
Quite a strong stance from the Catholics and with excellent rhetoric.
Published by: Mary Kay Bachman
Lake Arrowhead, Calif. USA 03/21/2010 02:10 AM EST
It is astounding to see where this country has gone under the influence of the progressive left. Absolutely no conscience, no morals, no values. May God have mercy on those who vote yes on the senate health care bill.
Published by: TP
Glenview Il 03/21/2010 02:10 AM EST
Where have our bishops been these past months in terms of mandating that their clerics in the parishes throughout the nation openly address the abortion issue from the pulpit? Where have they been in educating the flock that it is morally wrong for a Catholic legislator to support any pro-abortion legislation? Where have they been in instructing the flock that a correct conscience will not abide a Catholic’s support of any politically pro-abortion candidate for election to public office wherein law-making negatively impacting the lives of the unborn might become the subject matter of their duties? How many pastors have adopted the "no politics from the pew" excuse when pressed about their silence on this critical issue? Has not the life of St. Thomas More been championed in our seminaries?
Additionally, it must be asked why the bishops who acknowledge, on the one hand, that they have steadfastly “supported universal health care” yet, on the other hand, remain locked in a catatonic silence when it comes to instructing the flock on the principle of subsidiarity? Have they sublimated this bedrock principle in favor of the political nostrum of a socialist political leadership? Have they determined that the time has arrived wherein the State must now be substituted for the initiative and responsibility of the individual at the level on which we can, if left unfettered by governmental control, function all to the end that we are not deprived of the dignity of our freedom?
Published by: FormerCatholic
Ferndale, MI 03/21/2010 02:04 AM EST
Given the Papal meddling in U.S. affairs, all Catholics politicians should be banned from office or forced to take an oath of allegeance to the U.S. and disavowal of the Papacy. Catholic Senators have become mmissaries of Rome.
Published by: Kevin
Rochester NY 03/21/2010 01:58 AM EST
Darn right. I'm very upset that Congress is taking a letter signed by some nuns to have more say about Catholic beliefs than the Bishops. The Bishops have the authority over the nuns, they should remind the Congress that, especially Mrs. Pelosi, a woman who should be excommunicated.
Published by: tom
St Louis/MO/USA 03/21/2010 01:52 AM EST
I understand an opposition to the provisions of the bill related to abortion. But to encourage the defeat of this bill which is the first time in decades of trying that the US is providing for the care of the least among us is unconscionable. This bill needs to be passed and then we can move to improve certain provisions.
Published by: Sunshine Connie
Phoenix, AZ, USA 03/21/2010 01:52 AM EST
March 21,2010 may well be one of the saddest days in Americas history. Many will cry and many more will die in the name of power and arrogance of a nation which has lost it's way at the hands of an electorate who refuses to heed the desire of those they were elected to serve. Sad, sad times and shame upon those who choose to be so very blind.
Published by: mark keeney
Sacramento/CA/USA 03/21/2010 01:26 AM EST
There must be somethings wrong; too many conflicts. Congress must understand the need to take the steps necessary to ensure that health care reform is corrected. In the spirit of humanity; we all must respect life.
Published by: Nate
Plainwell/Mi/USA 03/21/2010 01:20 AM EST
Thats what you get for not speaking out openly against palosi, kennedy and others that say they are catholic but are not. it is your fault and the millions of babies that are aborted after this passes is on your hands.
Published by: Devin Jones
Mt. Pleasant, Texas, USA 03/21/2010 01:19 AM EST
First of all, I am not Catholic. I'm Protestant (Baptist). I have always had respect for the Catholic Church and definitely never supported state sponsored abortion. Abortion is wrong, this healthcare bill is wrong.
Published by: Nate
Plainwell/Mi/USA 03/21/2010 01:19 AM EST
Thats what you get for not speaking out openly against palosi, kennedy and others that say they are catholic but are not. it is your fault and the millions of babies that are aborted after this passes is on your hands.
Published by: John Brown
Newark, NJ 03/21/2010 01:18 AM EST
WHY WASN'T PRO-ABORTION PELOSI EXCOMMUNICATED FROM THE CHRUCH?
WHY WAS PRO-ABORTION SENATOR KENNEDY BURRIED IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
WHY DID THE CATHOLIC CHURCH INVITE PRO-ABORTION OBAMA TO SPEAK AT TWO OF THEIR COLLEGES AND COVER UP SYMBOLS OF GOD?
Will any one take the Bishops seriously now? Why didn't all the Bishops sign the letter?
Published by: Alan Hulshart
Macungie 03/21/2010 01:15 AM EST
I am not Catholic, but the USCCB has assessed the Senate Healthcare Bill correctly. Abortions will be increased with the Senate Healthcare Bill. I urged Senator Robert Casey to have strict abortion language in the Senate Bill. This did not happen, but Senator Casey supported and convinced Senator Ben Nelson to vote for the horrendous bill, which included loopholes for all kinds of abortions. Senator Casey and Senator Nelson could have stopped this bad bill before it ever got the House of Representatives. If this Healthcare Bill becomes law, I urge you to vote against Senator Nelson and Senator Casey in their next elections.
Published by: Brendan
Maryland 03/21/2010 01:03 AM EST
I'm glad they sent this letter, but making an emergency trip to DC to meet the House members in person would be much more effective.
Published by: librtyship
Sacramento 03/21/2010 01:00 AM EST
Perhaps this letter will wake up a small spark of morality and decency as well as respect for human life in some of our congresspeople, perhaps enough to get this immoral health care bill stopped. I for one do not wish to wind up paying for any abortions. God Bless you for sending this letter to our Congresspeople
Published by: mee
saN ANTONIO TX 03/21/2010 12:57 AM EST
AS Christians we are taughtn to treat the widows and orphans with great Justice and the unborn in order to help this be accomplishes I believe the church needs to be stronger in dealing with public servants such as Biden Pelosi and Ted kennedy etc..who are pro-abortion remember the Pope JP11 said to remember our Morals in our jobs as well as everyday practices...if a Catholic schoolm can suspend children CUZ their mom is lesbian (and had pledged to bring up child in Catholic teachings)what then of the aforementioned who publicly are going against Catholic teachings and making laws of it???Church needs to excommunicate them instead of looking the other way
Published by: FLOYD MARTIN
PENSACOLA, FL 03/21/2010 12:54 AM EST
By now Pelosi should have ran out of Congressmen to bribe?
Rules? Rules?
DEMOCRATS DON'T NEED NO STICKEN RULES!
Rules are for the uwashed tax payers not Congress!
Published by: Larry
OK 03/21/2010 12:51 AM EST
this letter was a great gesture, but these tyrants have no conscience. The only thing they will understand is our ability to vote them out in november. Furthermore, healthcare is not a right. Its a privilege. How can people in a free society use the govermment as an instrument of plunder to take from others what they did not earn and give it to those who did not. The democrats have succeeded in creating a whole new class of people, the moochers. They use their vote to put politians in power who will take others money and give it to themselves. At the same time becoming more dependent on government. Giving up their freedoms little by little. These moochers think they will get free health care. The only thing they will recieve are the chains of bondage.
Published by: Michael Sisson
Dallas, TX 03/21/2010 12:50 AM EST
To any Democratic members of the U.S. House of Representatives: Today you heard the president acknowledge you face a tough vote on Sunday, and how he can identify with that because he's been there. If you can't bring yourself to vote "no" this healthcare bill, do what the president did when he faced a tough vote and unborn lives were on the line... vote "present."
Published by: gil
gresham,oregon usa 03/21/2010 12:49 AM EST
Members of the USCCB you made this bed by supporting the senate and congress members who worked together to write and now to reconcile and pass this bill. You new full well that the senators and congressmen who were incharge of puting this bill together openly supported the abortion component.One senator even wrote a book about euthenasia and its necessity as a component in calculating who gets care. Now you are supprised to find this language in the bill. You must now lie down in this bed you made with these partners. Partners of yours whom you gave the cover of your positions of athority in the Church and its Reputation. Do not try to hide from all of your hard work. It is about to bear fruit. Your congregations know well what you have done. God knows well what you have done. It is now time to come to terms with your works and accept the judgement of those you claim to represent; your congregations and he who created us all and knows all.
Published by: Sola Scriptura
Houston TX 03/21/2010 12:46 AM EST
I note the hierarchy does not explicitly threaten ex-communication for those of your flock who vote to foist this legislation on America.
Published by: hagar
Phoenix/AZ 03/21/2010 12:31 AM EST
The Catholic bishops could stop this nonsense in its tracks. All they need do is excommunicate Pelosi, Biden and the other Catholics who insist on abortion on demand under the guise of being "pro-choice."
Published by: Bill
USA 03/21/2010 12:28 AM EST
Good time for the Catholic bishops to stand up as the moral authority. They might want to comment on the abuse charges in Europe too.
Published by: John Q Dallas
Dallas, TX, USA 03/21/2010 12:23 AM EST
"Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them." Not being commanded to work to make money to purchase health care insurance for yourself and others should be some kind of right. Just because modern health care facilities and providers exist, should not mean that there be equal access by all. Having the faith to look to the Lord, rsther than government, to provide for our needs should be the mission of the Church. When the government is the provider of all our basic human needs, our dignity will suffer and this godless government will control our beliefs. God help us, not government help us.
Published by: Mr UnionSmith
Michigan 03/21/2010 12:22 AM EST
Do NOT vote for this bill. I am a 50 year old union member. For the first time in my life I will be working for a republican to be my representative in my district. Let me repeat that. I not only will be voting for a republican and donating money to the RNC, I will actually be manning the phones for a republican. I never thought I'd see the day.
Published by: Jennifer Weir
Thousand Oaks 03/21/2010 12:18 AM EST
NO!
Published by: vietvet68
GAYLORD 03/21/2010 12:18 AM EST
If these Bishops have the guts, excommunicate all the so-called Catholic Socialist Democrats! If they did this, the Church's would be overflowing on Sunday!
Published by: L. Brungardt
Inola, Oklahoma 03/21/2010 12:18 AM EST
Speaking frankly, as a devout conservative Catholic, I am glad that the USCCB is calling for a no vote on the health care bill.... With that said the rest of the statement is nothing but a bunch of crap! If the USCCB and their Bishops really and truly believed that health care was a "human right" then why hasn't the USCCB called for the Catholic Health Care System at a minimum to provide this basic "human right" for Catholic parishoners? Why, because they want someone else to pay for it. The Bishops aren't rushing to offer up any viable plans within the Church but they are hell bent on supporting government run health care because it doesn't affect their budgets.
Published by: P. D. Martin
Arlington Heights, IL 03/21/2010 12:17 AM EST
I would believe the sincerity if the bishops weren't so against the last few Democratic presidential nominees. They spoke out in a political fashion then, they are doing the same now. If they were truely pro-life, they would be pro-living and support the legislation that will save 45,000 lives that are lost each year due to people that aren't insured.
Published by: Lucille Davidson
Jolon, CA/USA 03/21/2010 12:16 AM EST
I pray that not one cent of my tax money ever pays for an abortion (baby murder) as a means of birth control. I do not know what some of our elected officials are thinking. Questions to ask yourself: If your mother had aborted you (even the morning after) would she have taken a life? Yes or No? There is only one correct answer. \
Published by: EdKnowsAll
Dallas, Texas USA 03/21/2010 12:12 AM EST
Most in Congress could care less what the church thinks and will vote to kill babies in exchange for the bribes they'll get from Obama. These fools don't realize that the backlash in November will be strong.
Published by: jesse
austin texas 03/21/2010 12:10 AM EST
I am not a catholic and in fact a vociferous dissenter in the history and practices of the catholic church. But I stand up and applaud your actions today of not supporting the pro-abortion health care bill. The only ones not receiving health care protection in the this bill are the unborn. Anyone who calls himself a Christian and supports a political party that would not support health care for the most defenseless of us is spiritually bankrupt and cannot even see it.
Published by: Lucien Privee
Las Vegas Nevada 03/21/2010 12:09 AM EST
Any Catholic Represenatative who votes yes on the bill should be excommunicated from the Church. The Supreme Court needs to step in and prevent the government from forcing Catholics or any other Pro-lifer to buy insurance that endorces abortion. You can not be real to think that you will be able to force me to subsidize abortion and directly break one of the Ten Commandments? THOU SHALL NOT KILL. This country has fallen to the lowest levels since this President took office and it may take a Contitutional crisis to get it back on track.
Published by: Czechbikr
Chicago,IL USA 03/21/2010 12:09 AM EST
It seems that the Bishops should have marshalled their resources and demonstrated with their presence at the Capitol building on Sunday when Congress will desecrate our nation.
Published by: Tom Stevens
Bourne, MA USA 03/20/2010 11:59 PM EST
The will of the majority of the American people has not been carried out by congress for a long time. The fish rots from the head (Washington, DC)
Published by: Johan
Belmont,CA 03/20/2010 11:58 PM EST
Thank you, bishops for this clear stance. Now let's see how many of the "Pro-life" Democrats you will find on your side tomorrow. God be with all of us.
Published by: Jennifer
USA 03/20/2010 11:56 PM EST
What I see from the outside is that Catholics and Christians in general do not really believe that abortion is murder. Surely, is that were an important doctrine we wouldn't keep hearing about how it's ok from the Catholic politicians, and then there's that letter from the nuns. Murder is a serious offense, and these other leaders would not condone such actions if that were the actual teaching.
Published by: Mark L
St. Louis MO/USA 03/20/2010 11:55 PM EST
Perhaps too little too late but better than nothing all the same. The problem is the number of religious orders that are providing cover for Catholic congressmen by claiming that the bishops are in the wrong and lying to the American public. Considering how the bishop's reputation has never been lower than today I'm afraid that the cover will be enough.
Published by: alvin johnson
fairbury NE, USA 03/20/2010 11:54 PM EST
I would not worry about it too much, after another year of this menace our country will not have any way of printing more money. May God have mercy on all of us after this bunch of mafia types have emptied the treasury and "fundamentally" change our great country.
Published by: SoonerorLater
Norman, OK.,Usa 03/20/2010 11:48 PM EST
I agree 100%. Please stand for life of
the unborn. You are the ones that can
stop this nonsense. STAND TALL - VOTE
NO!! Vote your convictions. We are
Americans and belive in the sancity of
life.
Published by: Richard Bolduc
Mashpee, MA. 03/20/2010 11:47 PM EST
The Bishops are correct. Any Catholic Legislator voting yes for this bill in its present form should be excommunicated. At the very least, any Catholic legislator should abstain from voting on any abortion legislation.
Published by: Tina Stallings
Cropwell, AL 03/20/2010 11:46 PM EST
Since when has it been necessary to ask the U.S. government for permission to life, liberty or pursuit of happiness? Since we began to ask them to take care of us.
"I have seen the enemy, and it is us." Opus.
Published by: CC
Dallas, TX 03/20/2010 11:39 PM EST
I agree with what the bishops say, except for the part that universal health care being a 'right'. Equality is a right. Liberty is a right. Life is a right. These are concepts all people should enjoy provided by God. Health care is not a concept, but a service provided by people. Access to health care falls under the right of equality. Everyone should have access to health care, but not the right to have it provided for them by others.
Published by: Mary
Oregon 03/20/2010 11:37 PM EST
Our shepherds have remained silent too long. May the Mercy of God (not the justice we deserve) grant dreams to each member of Congress to awaken their consciences and give them a vision of the future they are crafting for this nation and the courage to act on that knowledge.
Published by: Kevin
Hartford, CT 03/20/2010 11:37 PM EST
This is the worst healthcare bill ever. It does not cover all Americans and it throws off millions of elderly Americans. It makes huge cuts to Medicare and Medicare Advantage and also hurts the poor and disabled. The mandate also criminalizes and penalizes those too poor to afford this awful healthcare bill. This bill is criminal and a crime against humanity. I oppose this bill and do not see anyone other than President Obama and his Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel benefiting from it. Rahm Emanuel's brother Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel. M.D. believes in euthanasia and helped write this bill in the White House as well. Euthanasia which targets the elderly is in this criminal bill as well. This HCR Bill is Disgusting. Any immoral politician who claims to be a "Catholic" should be ex-communicated from the church if they vote "Yes" to Obama's criminal bill. Refusing these faux "Catholics" commmunion is not enoug. The Catholic CHurch needs to rid itself of these immoral cancers who want to call themselves Catholics on Sunday's yet do everything to undermine its teachings when making/passing laws. Please strongly consider ex-communicating these criminal and immoral lawmakers from the Catholic Church. It is about time to take such action against these corrupt and immoral members of congress who want it both ways. John Larson of CT is a so-called "Catholic" yet goes along with the other evil & faux "Catholic" Nancy Pelosi--both should be denied communion for their legislation attacking the poor.
Published by: Alex Molina
Boston/MA/US 03/20/2010 11:34 PM EST
Thank GOD for the Catholic Church... they are the ONLY ones that inspite the active persecution by GLBT in the Boston Globe=NYTime,etc... they are still a moral compass holding and defending the truth and defending the unborn, elderly, shut-ins and the ONLY ONES defending the family against the GLBT agenda...
Inspite the sins of the church its mission is not to be sinless, but to hold and defend the TRUTH.
Peace
Published by: Michael
San Diego, Ca. U.S.A. 03/20/2010 11:33 PM EST
The Bishops have always been far more conservative than the laity. The majority of Catholics are for HCR. We see it as a social justice issue. The Bishops are simply wrong on this. If you are really pro-life you would be for HCR.
Published by: John Nostromo
Pittsburgh, USA 03/20/2010 11:32 PM EST
The bishops have thrown their lot in with the social justice crowd and this is what they get. It is too late. Hey, bishops, taxpayer funded abortion is coming and it is your fault. You cant have a little bit of evil. You should have stood with Fulton Sheen but you chose Martin Sheen instead.
Published by: Ken
El Paso/TX/USA 03/20/2010 11:24 PM EST
I am Catholic and a believer in the Constitution. The bishops are nuts. Healthcare is not a right. Even if they believe it is, Congress has no Constitutional authority to deal with healthcare. If you want to deal with it at the state level, then fine. At least then it would be following the law of the land!
Published by: Jeff
Albuquerque/NM/USA 03/20/2010 11:21 PM EST
Notice that the bishops said that health care, not health insurance, is a right. They are smart enough to not be fooled by the sophistry. This bill is purportedly providing health insurance - a good. Further, the government can not confer health care, a right. That is provided by people acting on their own free will.
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This bill does not provide health *care* -- in fact it does the opposite. It makes more public funding available for direct abortion than ever before.
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Every Catholic politician has a duty to oppose this pro-abortion legislation. Don't believe me? Then I invite you all, especially Ms. Pelosi and Rep. Guiterrez, to read paragraph 83 of SACRAMENTUM CARITATIS by Pope Benedict XVI.
Published by: Butterflylady
USA 03/20/2010 11:20 PM EST
As a practicing Catholic I am getting more and more disillusioned with the Catholic Church as I see it for what it is: very supportive of socialism. Social Justice has become a code word for collectivism and liberalism. This is just going to promote more dependency and somehow the Catholic Church can not see that. Because of health reform change we will be pulling back on our donations to the Catholic Church because of Obama's redistribution policies that will be forcefully taking our income.
Published by: Uri Blago
New York, NY 03/20/2010 11:19 PM EST
So if these Catholic representatives vote for this bill which funds abortion, they'll be excommunicated, right? No? Then why bother? The fact is, the Catholic Church has looked the other way for decades by allowing the likes of Kennedy, Biden, Pelosi, etc. to receive Mass despite their support of abortion AND gay rights.
Published by: Tim Hadfield
Geneva, IL USA 03/20/2010 11:19 PM EST
The USCCB judgment on this matter is sad and maddening. The USCCB is putting more emphasis on an empty gesture the won't have any impact on the number of abortions performed and turning their back on the millions of people in this country without decent health care.
Maybe it's time for our clergy to put more emphasis on effectively communicating the evil of abortion and quiet looking for an easy legislative fix to a moral question. When so many ministers and rabbi's console their flocks that abortion is tolerable, is it reasonable to think that the citizens of the country will not think it's reasonable to take advantage of abortion services? Once significantly more people stop believing that abortion is just an unfortnate operation, we'll be a lot closer to removing it from our country.
In the mean time, don't use your inabilty to persuate the populace of the evils of abortion as an excuse to deny the poor the medical attention they need!
Published by: Richard Helfrich
Glen Arm, Maryland 03/20/2010 11:14 PM EST
It is not too late for the Bishops of the US to support the formal excommunication of all nominally Catholic politicians who vote for this abomination beginning with the current Speaker of the House.
Published by: Jean
Michigan 03/20/2010 11:14 PM EST
This is too little too late. Why didn't the church come out earlier against this horrendous bill? You knew that public funding for abortion was included...and WHY are people who absolutely support killing live babies still allowed to receive the sacraments? Pelosi, Biden, the Kennedy's....as long as the Catholic church supports hypocrites like this, you will continue to lose members.
Published by: Thomas
Belton, TX 03/20/2010 11:14 PM EST
Maybe the Bishops will now get off their behinds and start with excommunicating those politicians that support abortion on demand. Course they might loose some money, but hey, what's a few bucks?
Published by: Dr. L. D. Cary
Mayhill, NW, USA 03/20/2010 11:11 PM EST
Too little too late from the clergy. As usual.
Published by: Christopher Congalton
Chicago, IL USA 03/20/2010 11:09 PM EST
I sent a very strong letter to the Council of Bishops accusing them of talking out of both sides of their mouth went it came to the subjects of health care reform and abortion, suggesting that they were more focused on health care reform than a strong stand on abortion. I commend the present stance--placing opposition to abortion above health care reform. Thank you for shooting straight.
Published by: Linda Day
Phoenix, AZ USA 03/20/2010 11:07 PM EST
too little, too late. Try instructing the pastor of Rep.Kildee in Michigan about supporting this legislation. Talk to the Catholic Health Association and the rouge pro choice catholic nuns.... Get your house in order or don't bother trying to take the moral high ground. Nancy Pelosi is praying to St. Joseph (the patron saint of the family and the unborn) to pass this bill, Biden is counciling fellow Catholics on faith support of this bill. This makes me ashamed of my catholic community. May God have mercy on their souls.
Published by: 2amendment
USA 03/20/2010 11:06 PM EST
The Catholic church is morally bankrupt. Urging their congregations to vote for Obama because he is pro-amnesty and overlooking the fact that he is an advocate of butchering the unborn.
Pure politics.
Pure fraud.
Published by: Jason
Land O Lakes/FL/USA 03/20/2010 11:06 PM EST
The Catholic Church teaches that health care is a basic human right? Oh really? Emergency treatment maybe but not health care. Human right means Entitlement, means trillions in Generational Debt, means decline of America as a great nation. The flow chart is easy to figure out if you understand history.
Published by: Becky Morris
Odessa,TX 03/20/2010 11:02 PM EST
Will those Roman Catholics that vote for this bill be denied Holy Communion? Or are there any consequences for their actions with regard to the Church?
Published by: jose
new york 03/20/2010 11:01 PM EST
The Catholic bishops are fundamentally FOR this terrible 'health care' bill, thus showing their true colors: deep red!
While I'm in agreement with the pro-life position, it is irresponsible for the bishops to ignore the huge cuts - rationing care - for the seniors on medicare. Also, they don't object to the huge additional bureaucracy and destruction of quality health care as we know it. They also ignore the resulting tax and insurance hikes, plus the enormous increase of the national deficit. The resulting shortage of doctors are of no concern to them either. Catholic bishops, you're of no help to working people. Thanks, but no thanks!
Published by: Brice
Columbus OH 03/20/2010 10:59 PM EST
Obama is just using The House Dems to fool them into this bill just so he can sign the Senate Bill and Proclaim Victory from an Obama Whitehouse. He is just using the Dem House, he doesn't care what happens after that or what happens to them. The "ends" justify the means
Published by: R M Zachary
Phoenix/AZ/USA 03/20/2010 10:58 PM EST
In many ways, the Roman Catholic church in the USA represents the majority of the working class of the "blue states" in this statement. This emphasis on life needs to start being acknowledged and it is absolutely imperative that an unborn child not further be dehumanied as 3/5 person. We fought a civil war over that and had a civil rights movement address it. Yet some still will not accord human life its dignity. That is precisely why this bill is so evil. Technocratic dehumanization for political ends where they have lost sight of their ultimate goal of providing healthcare, but simply are only creating an expansion of their power and control over the population. Socialism at its worst and most decadent.
I am opposed to government healthcare irregardless of whether or not the abortion language is in it. It is not the government's business to provide healthcare as a "right" or "entitlement." Yes, something has to be done about the rising costs of health insurance and about making coverage available to people. Perhaps something along the lines of a Peace Corps to train new healthcare professionals and have them commit to certain cost structures for x amount of time may be one consideration. Tort reform and protections for physicians may be another. Perhaps tax breaks to healthcare providers who accept a certain cost structure. The private sector in the USA produces excellent healthcare. It surely must be the focus and not Obama's Socialism.
Published by: gerard demaison
santa cruz,ca,usa 03/20/2010 10:58 PM EST
health care is a procedure of life but abortion is a procedure of death. How can the two be linked ? Gerard Demaison.
Published by: JAQUEBAUER
USA 03/20/2010 10:57 PM EST
The US Government has been hijacked by Obama and his cult of communist followers intent on the destruction of this great country. This is the work of evil, and only prayer and conviction can save us. If that fails, then we must do all necessary to remove this illegal and corrupt obama regime.
Published by: Tommy
Texas 03/20/2010 10:54 PM EST
They should excommunicate any Catholic Legislator that votes for Obamacare. That'll really get the message across.
Published by: SCW
Tx 03/20/2010 10:51 PM EST
Thank you Cardinal DiNardo, Bishop Murphy and Bishop Wester.
Sadly, those in power have turned a deaf ear to anyone who holds a different view.
We appreciate the valient effort you have put forth to shine a light on the evil that is woven into this massive takeover of much of our freedom.
I pray Our Lord and Blessed Mother come to the rescue of the innocent.
Published by: Marc
Medford Oregon USA 03/20/2010 10:48 PM EST
I'm glad our Bishops are taking a stand on this issue. Unfortunately this is the sad result of too many years of "looking the other way" while pro abortion Catholic politicians got away with murder (literally) and faced no serious consequences for supporting the ongoing slaughter of 50 million+ unborn children in America. God have mercy on our nation.
Published by: David Gilchrist
Saint-Laurent, QC Canada 03/20/2010 10:47 PM EST
I stand with you and my prayers for intercession by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, to set his face against this faulty, deceitful and malicious piece of legislation put forward by an administration that clearly does not respect the sanctity of human life. We look to examples from scripture to see how God is watching to see how his laws, precepts, regulations and direction are headed or maligned. I have prayed that the senators and congressmen of the US will have a divine visitation this night and the seriousness of their vote, whose consequences are grave, will be revealed.
I thank the USCCB for your clarity and for your stand at this critical time.
My God protect the US.
Published by: Chuck
Corte Madera, CA 03/20/2010 10:44 PM EST
Simple, excommunicate those who vote for a bill with abortion in it.
Published by: Rhetorical Doc
Grand Prairie, TX 03/20/2010 10:39 PM EST
I certainly support the Bishops' efforts, but I fear that Pelosi, who claims to be a Catholic, cares not for the unborn; she cares only for Obama's socialistic agenda, one that she supports 100%.
I am a bit unset that the Bishops waited so late to speak out also. Many representative are Catholic, and they could have voiced this opinion before the 11th hour and those reps had voiced their support publicly. Now, the reps owe Obama their souls in exchange for plane rides, water, and other goodies. I'm afraid that God and the unborn will be the losers on this one, sad as it makes me.
Published by: Rich
Atlanta, GA USA 03/20/2010 10:39 PM EST
The USCCB has been in the Democrat's corner for as long as I have been alive. The Democrats do not care what they want. The USCCB and the Democrats have been on opposite sides of the abortion issue that all it has done is give the Democrats the power to ignore everyone, including the USCCB. Why did the USCCB think that the Democrats would not expand abortions?
Published by: e senini
yuma az us 03/20/2010 10:39 PM EST
why is this not on cnn or msnbc.
Published by: Mark
Chillicothe, IL USA 03/20/2010 10:31 PM EST
The Catholic Bishops are absolutely correct. Party loyalty of the democrats is trumping common sense, fiscal sanity, and moral responsibility. For them, party loyalty IS their religion (see Nancy Pelosi for the perfect example). She should be denied holy communion.
Published by: Rich
Los Angeles 03/20/2010 10:28 PM EST
Their tax exempt status must be immediately revoked. If they choose to bulldoze the wall between church and state for dubious "moral" reasons, then I should not be forced to subsidize their opposing political agenda with my taxpayer dollars.
Additionally: where we all these voices for the past ten years? Answer: taking millions in "faith based initiatives" hush money.
Published by: joenkc
Olathe/KS/USA 03/20/2010 10:25 PM EST
Why should Congress listen to anti-abortion bishops? They will continue to receive the sacraments of the Church no matter how they vote. The House leadership, the people pushing this bill, are Catholic. Do you think they did not see how the Church treated Ted Kennedy?? Is the Church serious about abortion?
Published by: Angel Perez
Maplewood, NJ 03/20/2010 10:25 PM EST
Why have we not been instructed from the pulpit. The end of benefits brings the evil means from people who we nevr should have trusted. Our priests are too quiet and so most of the people, they just go along. Now we have the worst of all ends. A plan that will make health care quality worse, cost more and deliver less. A dishonest process that destroys the fabric of our constitution and deminishes our citizen rights. And a bonus; the financing of the destruction of a lot more babies.
Good luck to the Church (us)that has no clear direction.
Published by: DCKingmaker
Washington, D.C 03/20/2010 10:21 PM EST
We MUST PASS THIS BILL NOW. Republicans get lost. Change is here, have an issue, come and talk to me about it
Published by: dimon
nj 03/20/2010 10:21 PM EST
I am finally understanding and realizing difference between pro-life and pro-choice. This HCR bill will allow 400,000 abortions per year to be paid by US tax payers.
Published by: lost
Pittsburhg, PA USA 03/20/2010 10:18 PM EST
What is the church doing writing legislators? Why are you even involved in government matters. I have been a catholic my whole life, 35 years, and I can't follow this anymore. I agree with the stance on abortion. I have marched in more than one pro life march in DC. THis, this isn't any of the church's business. The pro life stance is understandable, but health care? Illegal immigration? Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. That does NOT involve you. YOU DON'T EVEN PAY TAXES!!!!!!! We the taxpaying citizens have to pay for these policies and we are broke. You should be helping the people in your community. Work on that, not the whole world!
As for the RIGHT to healthcare... you are treated if you are sick, you just have to PAY THE DOCTORS FOR SAVING YOUR LIFE! And according to the CONSTITUTION A RIGHT FOR ONE CANNOT BE AN OBLIGATION FOR ANOTHER. Quit making me pay.. I have nothing left.
Published by: Mike
Raleigh, NC USA 03/20/2010 10:17 PM EST
Don't get me wrong I don't support healthcare reform in it's current form. But where in the Bible does it teach that "health care is a basic human right"... answer nowhere. These Bishops who still believe in "Social Justice" of the 30's need to ditch the "Social Justice" rhetoric and focus on the Bible where it teaches thou shall no kill. Abortion is killing and we the people should not be forced pay for it.
Published by: Dave
Lancaster, PA USA 03/20/2010 10:14 PM EST
Kudos to the USCCB in standing for life. They stand arm in arm with millions of Protestants like me who will not be forced to pay for abortion on demand as a matter of conscience. A yes vote tomorrow in the US House will get a no vote from me next November.
Published by: James
Clearwater, Fl 03/20/2010 10:14 PM EST
Starting July 1, 2012, Section 2242 (e) (1),(2)of the bill gives the Secretary of Health, Kathleen Sibelius, arbitrary dictatorial authority to create or exclude whatever policies, prices, or procedures she wants to, and it mandates that those are rewritten every year. This will include abortions regardless what the rest of the bill says. Planned Parenthood is one of her major supporters, as was the former Dr. Tiller, the late-term abortionist.
This is the text--whenever the word “shall” is used, it means that it MUST happen:
SEC. 2242. ESSENTIAL BENEFITS PACKAGE DEFINED.
(e) Specification and Annual Update-
`(1) IN GENERAL- Not later than July 1, 2012, the Secretary shall
`(A) define the benefit categories established under subsection (b) for qualified
health benefits plans offered in the individual market within a State; and `(B) specify the covered treatments, items, and services within each of such categories.
(2) ANNUAL UPDATES- The Secretary shall annually update the benefits coverage determined under paragraph (1). The Secretary may address any gaps in access to coverage or changes in the evidence base by modifying or adding ANY category of benefits and covered treatments, items, and services. (Emphasis mine)
Published by: DW
Lexington, KY USA 03/20/2010 10:11 PM EST
I am 54 year old. This is the MOST corrupt process and government I have ever seen. Style over substance..."results" over process...fiction over truth to pad one's own pockets. The insane have truly taken over the asylem. God help us all. Time to move to Australia.
Published by: Phil Lunney
Roswell, GA 03/20/2010 10:11 PM EST
I am disappointed in your stand. How can a Catholic Bishop be against universal health care. I had a wonderful Catholic education in Philadelphia and at Villanova. The Bishops in America have lost there way. If you want to stop abortion begin educating everyone about sex and support basic birth control. How can you ban birth control but support Viagra. I am proud of the nuns and the Catholic hospitals that have come out to support this legislation. I am tired of Catholic Bishops and their high horse. Get in the game, change life on the streets of America, repent for the way you have handled Priestly abuse and ask God for forgiveness. Begin to take your spiritual duty to heart.
Published by: Hugh
Minneapolis 03/20/2010 10:07 PM EST
Most democrats like abortion more than they do health care reform. Those who vote "yes" to the senate bill will prove that fact. The only thing as bad as a Catholic democratic congressperson voting for the senate bill is a Catholic voter who votes for a representative who voted for the senate bill. God sees for all time.
Published by: Mikey DaP
US 03/20/2010 10:06 PM EST
I'm tellin ya, you pass this bill, you will have the deaths of innocent children on your hands, not to mention the fact that you make ALL OF US have a hand in it. I'm not all that religious but I do believe in God, and may He have mercy on our souls.
Published by: CleanFun
Bay Area, CA 03/20/2010 10:04 PM EST
Agreed. Another terrible aspect of the bill is that it is not a choice but a requirement. That's unconstitutional and against the very principals we were founded on.
Published by: Chisum
Guntersville/AL/USA 03/20/2010 10:03 PM EST
Well, we will see if the Bishops have the fortitude to excommunicate those Catholics who voted for this abomination. Where is their principal?
Published by: Jackie
Akron, OH, USA 03/20/2010 10:02 PM EST
For these, and many other reasons of my own, I am pleased to see this position of the bishops expressed again.
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